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Hello ppl I used to post on here about my son Sammy a while ago probably 10 years ago now.
(too old to reply)
Sarah Moseley
2013-09-11 21:16:37 UTC
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Hello I recognise some names on here still. I used to post about my son Sammy about 9 years ago. Back then he was hard to understand and I struggled but these days we get along very well. He asked to move to mainstream from a special school about a year and a half ago. His old school thought it would fail. He proved them wrong. He continues to thrive and get high grades at school. Sammy didnt talk till he was 4 and has overcome so many problems he has an unbreakable spirit. I guess this was an update. I find him inspiring. Sarah
Autindividual
2013-09-11 22:45:27 UTC
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Post by Sarah Moseley
Hello I recognise some names on here still. I used to post about my
son Sammy about 9 years ago. Back then he was hard to understand and
I struggled but these days we get along very well. He asked to move
to mainstream from a special school about a year and a half ago. His
old school thought it would fail. He proved them wrong. He continues
to thrive and get high grades at school. Sammy didnt talk till he was
4 and has overcome so many problems he has an unbreakable spirit. I
guess this was an update. I find him inspiring. Sarah
Hi Sarah,

So how old is your son now? As for that unbreakable spirit part, I can
certainly relate there - seems quite a few autistic persons, myself
included, are like that...almost makes me consider the possibility that
he didn't start talking until age 4 because he just didn't have anything
to say before then, and being notoriously resolved, or as some call it
'stubborn', he just kept quiet ;)
Phil W Lee
2013-09-12 05:37:30 UTC
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Post by Autindividual
Post by Sarah Moseley
Hello I recognise some names on here still. I used to post about my
son Sammy about 9 years ago. Back then he was hard to understand and
I struggled but these days we get along very well. He asked to move
to mainstream from a special school about a year and a half ago. His
old school thought it would fail. He proved them wrong. He continues
to thrive and get high grades at school. Sammy didnt talk till he was
4 and has overcome so many problems he has an unbreakable spirit. I
guess this was an update. I find him inspiring. Sarah
Hi Sarah,
So how old is your son now? As for that unbreakable spirit part, I can
certainly relate there - seems quite a few autistic persons, myself
included, are like that...almost makes me consider the possibility that
he didn't start talking until age 4 because he just didn't have anything
to say before then, and being notoriously resolved, or as some call it
'stubborn', he just kept quiet ;)
Apparently my speech was very delayed, but my first word was a full
sentence.
And by the time I went from Infants (5-7) to Junior (7-11) School,
they had to start sending me up to the secondary school up the road to
use their library.
7 years after that, I was conversing with an old guy at a family
event, and discovered that he was a geologist - my passion at the
time.
After about an hour's conversation, my grandad found me, and
introduced us, me as his grandson, and the older guy as his own cousin
(so my first cousin twice removed).
His cousin remarked that he didn't realise that any of grandad's
grandchildren had graduated yet, and it was rather mean not to have
let him know that I'd been reading geology (but didn't graduates look
young these days!).
After laughing about it, grandad informed him that I was still 14, and
that He'd certainly let Peter (his cousin) know if I did decide to
read geology when I started university in another 4 years.
Peter said it would prove highly educational - for the lecturing
staff, since I seemed to have already gone beyond a bachelors from my
own reading :)
Peter was Sir Peter Kent, chief geologist for BP, discoverer of North
Sea Oil (or at least, the extent of it - he brought in the 40s field
as well as the North Slope field in Alaska) and the only person from
any field of the earth sciences ever to have been awarded the McRobert
Award for Engineering excellence (for his development of surveying
methods that could penetrate permafrost).
Autindividual
2013-09-15 18:47:44 UTC
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Post by Phil W Lee
Apparently my speech was very delayed, but my first word was a full
sentence.
And by the time I went from Infants (5-7) to Junior (7-11) School,
they had to start sending me up to the secondary school up the road to
use their library.
It never fails to amaze, if not disgust me, just how bent-out-of-shape
others i.e. NTs so often get over things like that. If only they'd Accept
that those who are different just do things differently, it would
eliminate a lot of needless trouble.
Post by Phil W Lee
7 years after that, I was conversing with an old guy at a family
event, and discovered that he was a geologist - my passion at the
time.
After about an hour's conversation, my grandad found me, and
introduced us, me as his grandson, and the older guy as his own cousin
(so my first cousin twice removed).
His cousin remarked that he didn't realise that any of grandad's
grandchildren had graduated yet, and it was rather mean not to have
let him know that I'd been reading geology (but didn't graduates look
young these days!).
After laughing about it, grandad informed him that I was still 14, and
that He'd certainly let Peter (his cousin) know if I did decide to
read geology when I started university in another 4 years.
It's best to start early - more time to invest that way. I was in my
first science fair when I was only in the 2nd grade, even though
participation was limited to grades 6 through 8 - and here I was, a 7
year old with an entomology exhibit...who said girls don't like 'bugs' ;)
but of course, the main attraction was the collection of butterflies and
moths.
Post by Phil W Lee
Peter said it would prove highly educational - for the lecturing
staff, since I seemed to have already gone beyond a bachelors from my
own reading :)
That's why in contrast to NeuroTypical, I call it NeuroExceptional!
Post by Phil W Lee
Peter was Sir Peter Kent, chief geologist for BP, discoverer of North
Sea Oil (or at least, the extent of it - he brought in the 40s field
as well as the North Slope field in Alaska) and the only person from
any field of the earth sciences ever to have been awarded the McRobert
Award for Engineering excellence (for his development of surveying
methods that could penetrate permafrost).
How about that! I wonder how much "Autism Speaks" would like to make that
story known! Those who want us Labeled as 'disordered', 'diseased',
'abnormal', etc., are sure good at putting one foot, then the other, in
their mouths!
Phil W Lee
2013-09-15 22:18:01 UTC
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Post by Autindividual
Post by Phil W Lee
Apparently my speech was very delayed, but my first word was a full
sentence.
And by the time I went from Infants (5-7) to Junior (7-11) School,
they had to start sending me up to the secondary school up the road to
use their library.
It never fails to amaze, if not disgust me, just how bent-out-of-shape
others i.e. NTs so often get over things like that. If only they'd Accept
that those who are different just do things differently, it would
eliminate a lot of needless trouble.
Amen to that.
The rigid linking of levels of progress to chronological age is
completely senseless, as long as progress is made.
And concentrating on one area will often mean less progress in another
- there are only so many resources to go around.
Post by Autindividual
Post by Phil W Lee
7 years after that, I was conversing with an old guy at a family
event, and discovered that he was a geologist - my passion at the
time.
After about an hour's conversation, my grandad found me, and
introduced us, me as his grandson, and the older guy as his own cousin
(so my first cousin twice removed).
His cousin remarked that he didn't realise that any of grandad's
grandchildren had graduated yet, and it was rather mean not to have
let him know that I'd been reading geology (but didn't graduates look
young these days!).
After laughing about it, grandad informed him that I was still 14, and
that He'd certainly let Peter (his cousin) know if I did decide to
read geology when I started university in another 4 years.
It's best to start early - more time to invest that way. I was in my
first science fair when I was only in the 2nd grade, even though
participation was limited to grades 6 through 8 - and here I was, a 7
year old with an entomology exhibit...who said girls don't like 'bugs' ;)
but of course, the main attraction was the collection of butterflies and
moths.
Did you maintain your interest?
Sadly, I've forgotten almost all I ever knew about geology.
Lacking any forward path of study (this was well pre-internet) or
means of applying my knowledge, I lost interest and remember hardly
any of it any more.
Several other interests have foundered for the same reason.
At least with the advent of the internet I can pursue interests to the
limit of current knowledge, even if I lack the formal qualifications
to be allowed to apply what I learn.
Post by Autindividual
Post by Phil W Lee
Peter said it would prove highly educational - for the lecturing
staff, since I seemed to have already gone beyond a bachelors from my
own reading :)
That's why in contrast to NeuroTypical, I call it NeuroExceptional!
I wouldn't call them either - it's just different. NeuroAtypical?
While it may be exceptional in one area, that is frequently limited in
extent, and offset by deficits in other areas.
All it needs is an acceptance that people are different, and trying to
ram them into standard moulds just doesn't work.
The more standardised the model, the greater the proportion of the
population that it won't work for.
That applies in many areas, not just education.
Post by Autindividual
Post by Phil W Lee
Peter was Sir Peter Kent, chief geologist for BP, discoverer of North
Sea Oil (or at least, the extent of it - he brought in the 40s field
as well as the North Slope field in Alaska) and the only person from
any field of the earth sciences ever to have been awarded the McRobert
Award for Engineering excellence (for his development of surveying
methods that could penetrate permafrost).
How about that! I wonder how much "Autism Speaks" would like to make that
story known! Those who want us Labeled as 'disordered', 'diseased',
'abnormal', etc., are sure good at putting one foot, then the other, in
their mouths!
Yeah, why are "Autism speaks" so discriminatory as to not have any
people on their board who are on the spectrum?
Autindividual
2013-09-16 12:28:47 UTC
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Post by Phil W Lee
Amen to that.
The rigid linking of levels of progress to chronological age is
completely senseless, as long as progress is made.
And concentrating on one area will often mean less progress in another
- there are only so many resources to go around.
They don't Think that far, and often for that matter, at all! That's all
part of being part of the Herd, Nonthinking. But the worst part about it is
that by expecting everyone to be the same, they are promoting
Depersonalization...but then that's what it's all about.
Post by Phil W Lee
Did you maintain your interest?
Yes, I did - but I don't 'collect' and KILL the innocent creatures anymore
just so I can mount them for display, and I feel really bad about having
done that when I was a lot younger. If there were a way to 'collect'
insects, perhaps using high tech scanning equipment, without harming them,
I'd get back into it, but I still do remember everything I learned and am
still quick to notice various kinds of insects. My interest in entomology
began when I was around 5 years old or so, when my hypersensitivity was
really getting to me - I was terrified of flies for the buzzing sound they
made and even the thought of one landing and crawling on me, because
although I'm hypersensitive in all senses, the 2 really big ones are
auditory and tactile. So whenever a fly was in the house, I'd run for my
life to any room I could 'seal' up so the fly couldn't get in, and hope
when I did, that the fly wasn't already in there. It sounds funny today but
it was pure horror back in the day.
But I'm just too much of a rebel to be ruled by just anything, particularly
fear, so I worked on overcoming it, by using the power of knowledge to
replace ignorance - that's a major component in how I've been able to
survive to this day. So I learned about insects, including flies, and in
the light of knowledge, the fear subsided. Not only that, I found that I
have an affinity for insects, and many other creatures too. Also, like with
autistic persons, Ignorance also results in insects being misunderstood,
and feared, and regarded negatively too, so there's a commonality right
there.
Post by Phil W Lee
Sadly, I've forgotten almost all I ever knew about geology.
Lacking any forward path of study (this was well pre-internet) or
means of applying my knowledge, I lost interest and remember hardly
any of it any more.
I wonder if that's like riding a bicycle, that you'll never really forget
it and a refresher will bring it all right back.
Post by Phil W Lee
Several other interests have foundered for the same reason.
At least with the advent of the internet I can pursue interests to the
limit of current knowledge, even if I lack the formal qualifications
to be allowed to apply what I learn.
Formal is a bunch of silly hype, because knowledge is knowledge - if you've
got it, it doesn't matter where or how you came by it, only that you did,
and if you can actually Apply that knowledge, you'll be leaps and bounds
ahead of, once again, the Herd, no matter how formally they went about it.
Post by Phil W Lee
I wouldn't call them either - it's just different. NeuroAtypical?
I like to use the term NeuroExceptional because it sounds more positive,
which after all, is the intention considering all the negative positions so
often taken with regards to autism. I remember when those with autism were
once considered to be somehow mentally 'retarded', but once that was proven
wrong over and over, the Manipulation crowd had to do some backpedalling
and Design Their so-called autism 'spectrum', which in reality, is a
Collection of behavior models which They have decided should be included
together, so they can more easily generate Billing Codes when 'treating'
the condition, and also so then can use the Blanket term 'autism spectrum
disorder'...along with, of course, 'Pervasive Developmental Disorder, Not
Otherwise Specified'...covering all the bases.
Meanwhile, autistic kids are still often considered 'educable mentally
handicapped' because we learn differently than the rest of the Herd...and
so are considered basically 'throw-away' 'write-offs', when what they, and
the rest of us, Really Need is Understanding and most of all, Respect. I
went through it myself, in the 2nd grade with a 'teacher' who Deliberately
and totally humiliated me in front of the entire class, calling me
'stupid', 'unable to learn', 'unteachable', and ultimately, a 'vegetable',
and kicking me out of her classroom, telling me to go next door to ask
another teacher what she can do with a 'vegetable' because my 'teacher'
gave up. Although I did not go so far as getting 'stamped' with the
'offical' Label. But I got my 'revenge', and showed her - while in her
class, I was in my first science fair and the youngest student in the
school ever to be in one, so that really put her foot in her mouth.
Post by Phil W Lee
While it may be exceptional in one area, that is frequently limited in
extent, and offset by deficits in other areas.
Sure, but not necessarily any more than with anyone else i.e. NT - but it's
always the autistic persons that get the most negative attention for it and
that's unfair.
Post by Phil W Lee
All it needs is an acceptance that people are different, and trying to
ram them into standard moulds just doesn't work.
So very easy to say - because it's True, yet so Disgustingly Difficult to
achieve, because as my 'autism anthem', track 7. "Be Who You Are" from my
first album, "Opening A Channel" puts it in the bridge:

in a world of molded plastic people it's so hard to get to where you're
needin' to go

when you won't play their silly plastic fool's game and be
inducted in their status quo
Post by Phil W Lee
The more standardised the model, the greater the proportion of the
population that it won't work for.
That applies in many areas, not just education.
It's applied to practically everything, and it's Their Game, and it's
Designed to do just that, to more Effectively Facilitate Manipulation and
Control...which means that it's Rigged, and therefore the best move is NOT
TO PLAY!
Post by Phil W Lee
Yeah, why are "Autism speaks" so discriminatory as to not have any
people on their board who are on the spectrum?
Because They want Control, while Pretending to speak on behalf of autistic
persons - well THEY SURE DON'T SPEAK FOR ME!!!
Phil W Lee
2013-09-16 18:56:12 UTC
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Post by Autindividual
Post by Phil W Lee
Amen to that.
The rigid linking of levels of progress to chronological age is
completely senseless, as long as progress is made.
And concentrating on one area will often mean less progress in another
- there are only so many resources to go around.
They don't Think that far, and often for that matter, at all! That's all
part of being part of the Herd, Nonthinking. But the worst part about it is
that by expecting everyone to be the same, they are promoting
Depersonalization...but then that's what it's all about.
Post by Phil W Lee
Did you maintain your interest?
Yes, I did - but I don't 'collect' and KILL the innocent creatures anymore
just so I can mount them for display, and I feel really bad about having
done that when I was a lot younger. If there were a way to 'collect'
insects, perhaps using high tech scanning equipment, without harming them,
I'd get back into it, but I still do remember everything I learned and am
still quick to notice various kinds of insects. My interest in entomology
began when I was around 5 years old or so, when my hypersensitivity was
really getting to me - I was terrified of flies for the buzzing sound they
made and even the thought of one landing and crawling on me, because
although I'm hypersensitive in all senses, the 2 really big ones are
auditory and tactile. So whenever a fly was in the house, I'd run for my
life to any room I could 'seal' up so the fly couldn't get in, and hope
when I did, that the fly wasn't already in there. It sounds funny today but
it was pure horror back in the day.
But I'm just too much of a rebel to be ruled by just anything, particularly
fear, so I worked on overcoming it, by using the power of knowledge to
replace ignorance - that's a major component in how I've been able to
survive to this day. So I learned about insects, including flies, and in
the light of knowledge, the fear subsided. Not only that, I found that I
have an affinity for insects, and many other creatures too. Also, like with
autistic persons, Ignorance also results in insects being misunderstood,
and feared, and regarded negatively too, so there's a commonality right
there.
I dealt with an acquired fear of heights (after falling from an
insecure ladder when roofing a house) by getting my private pilot's
license :)
Post by Autindividual
Post by Phil W Lee
Sadly, I've forgotten almost all I ever knew about geology.
Lacking any forward path of study (this was well pre-internet) or
means of applying my knowledge, I lost interest and remember hardly
any of it any more.
I wonder if that's like riding a bicycle, that you'll never really forget
it and a refresher will bring it all right back.
I've wondered that too, but I suspect the state of knowledge in that
area has moved on considerably, so quite a lot of what I "knew" may
well be incorrect anyway.
Post by Autindividual
Post by Phil W Lee
Several other interests have foundered for the same reason.
At least with the advent of the internet I can pursue interests to the
limit of current knowledge, even if I lack the formal qualifications
to be allowed to apply what I learn.
Formal is a bunch of silly hype, because knowledge is knowledge - if you've
got it, it doesn't matter where or how you came by it, only that you did,
and if you can actually Apply that knowledge, you'll be leaps and bounds
ahead of, once again, the Herd, no matter how formally they went about it.
Yeah, but nobody is going to give me a job based on what I say I know,
unless I have some way of showing it.
Post by Autindividual
Post by Phil W Lee
I wouldn't call them either - it's just different. NeuroAtypical?
I like to use the term NeuroExceptional because it sounds more positive,
which after all, is the intention considering all the negative positions so
often taken with regards to autism. I remember when those with autism were
once considered to be somehow mentally 'retarded', but once that was proven
wrong over and over, the Manipulation crowd had to do some backpedalling
and Design Their so-called autism 'spectrum', which in reality, is a
Collection of behavior models which They have decided should be included
together, so they can more easily generate Billing Codes when 'treating'
the condition, and also so then can use the Blanket term 'autism spectrum
disorder'...along with, of course, 'Pervasive Developmental Disorder, Not
Otherwise Specified'...covering all the bases.
Meanwhile, autistic kids are still often considered 'educable mentally
handicapped' because we learn differently than the rest of the Herd...and
so are considered basically 'throw-away' 'write-offs', when what they, and
the rest of us, Really Need is Understanding and most of all, Respect. I
went through it myself, in the 2nd grade with a 'teacher' who Deliberately
and totally humiliated me in front of the entire class, calling me
'stupid', 'unable to learn', 'unteachable', and ultimately, a 'vegetable',
and kicking me out of her classroom, telling me to go next door to ask
another teacher what she can do with a 'vegetable' because my 'teacher'
gave up. Although I did not go so far as getting 'stamped' with the
'offical' Label. But I got my 'revenge', and showed her - while in her
class, I was in my first science fair and the youngest student in the
school ever to be in one, so that really put her foot in her mouth.
Hehe, that rings a bell.
I showed up a primary school teacher over a history project.
He decided to have a rant about one fact I'd stated, saying it was
wrong.
The next day, I brought in the proof, and he had to stand up in front
of the class, apologise to me, and admit he was the one who got it
wrong :)
I don't think he ever forgave me for that, but thankfully I had a good
headmaster there, which kept him in check.
Post by Autindividual
Post by Phil W Lee
While it may be exceptional in one area, that is frequently limited in
extent, and offset by deficits in other areas.
Sure, but not necessarily any more than with anyone else i.e. NT - but it's
always the autistic persons that get the most negative attention for it and
that's unfair.
We are the ones at the extreme of that variation, so are the first to
stand out when they try to fit people into standard moulds.
The simile I tend to use is that we are the canaries in the coal mine.
Post by Autindividual
Post by Phil W Lee
All it needs is an acceptance that people are different, and trying to
ram them into standard moulds just doesn't work.
So very easy to say - because it's True, yet so Disgustingly Difficult to
achieve, because as my 'autism anthem', track 7. "Be Who You Are" from my
in a world of molded plastic people it's so hard to get to where you're
needin' to go
when you won't play their silly plastic fool's game and be
inducted in their status quo
Post by Phil W Lee
The more standardised the model, the greater the proportion of the
population that it won't work for.
That applies in many areas, not just education.
It's applied to practically everything, and it's Their Game, and it's
Designed to do just that, to more Effectively Facilitate Manipulation and
Control...which means that it's Rigged, and therefore the best move is NOT
TO PLAY!
Post by Phil W Lee
Yeah, why are "Autism speaks" so discriminatory as to not have any
people on their board who are on the spectrum?
Because They want Control, while Pretending to speak on behalf of autistic
persons - well THEY SURE DON'T SPEAK FOR ME!!!
I never met anyone on the spectrum they did speak for.
And I doubt I ever will.
Autindividual
2013-09-16 21:35:44 UTC
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Post by Phil W Lee
I dealt with an acquired fear of heights (after falling from an
insecure ladder when roofing a house) by getting my private pilot's
license :)
I'm terrified of skyscrapers, at least most of them, but I LOVE to Fly,
that is, pilot an aircraft - that and making Music are my 2 favorite
things to do in this world, and even though I'll do a nice steep bank to
turn around a point looking thousands of feet down the wing so many times
higher than those nasty skyscrapers - I guess that to me, the aircraft is
specifically made to resist gravity by generating whereas the tall
buildings are relying on their construction to withstand the gravity
rather than overcome it like with an aircraft, at least that's my logic
;)
Post by Phil W Lee
I've wondered that too, but I suspect the state of knowledge in that
area has moved on considerably, so quite a lot of what I "knew" may
well be incorrect anyway.
Only one way to find out ;)
Post by Phil W Lee
Yeah, but nobody is going to give me a job based on what I say I know,
unless I have some way of showing it.
That's why I'm going for a career in Music...none of the Crap about *how*
you do what you do, only *that* you do it, and I'm working on my third
album demo.
Post by Phil W Lee
Hehe, that rings a bell.
I showed up a primary school teacher over a history project.
He decided to have a rant about one fact I'd stated, saying it was
wrong.
The next day, I brought in the proof, and he had to stand up in front
of the class, apologise to me, and admit he was the one who got it
wrong :)
I don't think he ever forgave me for that, but thankfully I had a good
headmaster there, which kept him in check.
That's why it's Always best to abide in the Truth and practice humility!
Post by Phil W Lee
We are the ones at the extreme of that variation, so are the first to
stand out when they try to fit people into standard moulds.
The simile I tend to use is that we are the canaries in the coal mine.
The Punishment for being Outstanding! Like I said, Unfair. But canaries
in coal minds are unwilling to risk their lives, but we are more like
Pioneers...and I wrote a tune, sort of another 'autism anthem', on the
second album, "Ignite The Sky", entitled "The Spearhead", about those who
"...boldy blaze in outstanding ways new trails in the field".
Post by Phil W Lee
I never met anyone on the spectrum they did speak for.
And I doubt I ever will.
I learned a long time ago to speak for myself, because I'm the ONLY one
who can!

d***@fsmail.net
2013-09-14 23:46:05 UTC
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Post by Sarah Moseley
Hello I recognise some names on here still. I used to post about my son Sammy about 9 years ago. Back then he was hard to understand and I struggled but these days we get along very well. He asked to move to mainstream from a special school about a year and a half ago. His old school thought it would fail. He proved them wrong. He continues to thrive and get high grades at school. Sammy didnt talk till he was 4 and has overcome so many problems he has an unbreakable spirit. I guess this was an update. I find him inspiring. Sarah
Welcome back, Sarah. I only have a very vague recollection of you, although I have just Googled one of your old posts and it rings a bell. It is strange how people go away for a long time and then sometimes come back.

It is good that Sammy wanted to move to mainstream and has succeeded.

Dolphinius
(Male, early forties, UK, self-diagnosed AS)
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