What is your Empathy Quotient? and more...

[red_haired_nt]

Test# 1: What Is Your Empathy Quotient?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/life/flash/page/0,13249,937836,00.html

25 is my score.. can you beat it?


Test# 2: Social Skills Test

http://www.psychtests.com/tests/relationships/social_skills_access.html

Here I scored 51. This test does seem skewed towards
psychological/emotional (EQ) type factors rather than bare bones people
processing skills. I sensed that whoever created the test didn't know
much about autism.


Test# 3: Take The AQ Test

http://wired-vig.wired.com/wired/archive/9.12/aqtest.html

Here I scored 31.

Fortunately, for all three of these sites, no registration is
required.. I was relieved to go through the process and not have to
give out my credit card information at the end of the test. :-)

--
//red_haired_neurotyp punk\\

Life is a tale told by an idiot -- full of sound and fury, signifying
nothing. ~ William Shakespeare

[Jeremy Reece]

Post by red_haired_nt
Test# 3: Take The AQ Test
http://wired-vig.wired.com/wired/archive/9.12/aqtest.html
Here I scored 31.

That's in the autistic range, you know.

<blunt mode>
There are *lots* of people here who went most of their lives not knowing
why they don't fit in. Normally they seem to find an answer on this group.
</blunt mode>

[Jeremy Reece]

Post by Jeremy Reece

Post by red_haired_nt
Test# 3: Take The AQ Test
Here I scored 31.

That's in the autistic range, you know.

<accuracy mode>
Actually, its at the autistic end of the blury middle zone, so to speak.

[red_haired_nt]

Post by Jeremy Reece

Post by Jeremy Reece

Post by red_haired_nt
Test# 3: Take The AQ Test
Here I scored 31.

That's in the autistic range, you know.

<accuracy mode>
Actually, its at the autistic end of the blury middle zone, so to speak.

Oh I see, because the site says that 80% of those dxed with autism or a
related disorder scored 32 or higher.

--
//red_haired_neurotyp punk\\

Life is a tale told by an idiot -- full of sound and fury, signifying
nothing. ~ William Shakespeare

Post by Jeremy Reece
--
Jeremy Reece
<http://www32.brinkster.com/ascdecode/>

[Gareeth]

Post by red_haired_nt
Test# 1: What Is Your Empathy Quotient?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/life/flash/page/0,13249,937836,00.html

I especially dislike this test. I cannot think that it actually measures
ones empathy quotient. The first time I took it I got 6 and tonight when I
thought I was actually doing pretty well at it I got 8. There is no way I
could be that free of empathy and do the work I do so I choose to think that
whatever it measures it isn't empathy.

Gareeth

[red_haired_nt]

Post by Gareeth

Post by red_haired_nt
Test# 1: What Is Your Empathy Quotient?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/life/flash/page/0,13249,937836,00.html

I especially dislike this test. I cannot think that it actually measures
ones empathy quotient. The first time I took it I got 6 and tonight when I
thought I was actually doing pretty well at it I got 8. There is no way I
could be that free of empathy and do the work I do so I choose to think that
whatever it measures it isn't empathy.

I think you're right, that the test is flawed. First off, at least
three of the questions point to unlikely scenarios:

10. People often tell me I went too far in driving my point home in a
discussion.
30. People often tell me that I am very unpredictable.
36. Other people tell me I am good at understanding how they are
feeling and what they are thinking.

Most people aren't that specific or direct, unless they have very
close, extended contact with the person. If the person is autistic, it
is less likely that such scenarios would arise.

Secondly, the following question

1. I can easily tell if someone wants to enter a conversation

Several of the questions are only a measure of how you feel about
yourself -- if you feel you have low abilities in that area then the
test will reflect that. It is lacking in objective measures, but
unfortunately this is very difficult to do online.

There was one test that was not skewed by self-perception, one I took a
long time ago but I don't know where to find the link. It was on
reading faces. It was kind of cool because at the end of the test you
somehow got to meet up with people with similar matching scores.

Post by Gareeth
Gareeth

//red_haired_neurotyp punk\\

Life is a tale told by an idiot -- full of sound and fury, signifying
nothing. ~ William Shakespeare

[PromaBoss]

i dont see anything unlikely about those

all 3 parents/siblings/co workers and bosses have all said to me and also
freinds

but thats where another person who knows you well taking the test as if
lookling at you will help

you may for examole not think anything about those 3 questions,but if a
close or person who sees you everyday for a few hours svcores you as being
high on those thwen you now are aware,and that is useful to be aware,even
igf one cant change easliy being aware i find ius useful

Post by Gareeth

Post by Gareeth

Post by red_haired_nt
Test# 1: What Is Your Empathy Quotient?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/life/flash/page/0,13249,937836,00.html

I especially dislike this test. I cannot think that it actually

measures

Post by Gareeth
ones empathy quotient. The first time I took it I got 6 and tonight

when I

Post by Gareeth
thought I was actually doing pretty well at it I got 8. There is no

way I

Post by Gareeth
could be that free of empathy and do the work I do so I choose to

think that

Post by Gareeth
whatever it measures it isn't empathy.

I think you're right, that the test is flawed. First off, at least
10. People often tell me I went too far in driving my point home in a
discussion.
30. People often tell me that I am very unpredictable.
36. Other people tell me I am good at understanding how they are
feeling and what they are thinking.
Most people aren't that specific or direct, unless they have very
close, extended contact with the person. If the person is autistic, it
is less likely that such scenarios would arise.
Secondly, the following question
1. I can easily tell if someone wants to enter a conversation
Several of the questions are only a measure of how you feel about
yourself -- if you feel you have low abilities in that area then the
test will reflect that. It is lacking in objective measures, but
unfortunately this is very difficult to do online.
There was one test that was not skewed by self-perception, one I took a
long time ago but I don't know where to find the link. It was on
reading faces. It was kind of cool because at the end of the test you
somehow got to meet up with people with similar matching scores.

Post by Gareeth
Gareeth

//red_haired_neurotyp punk\\
Life is a tale told by an idiot -- full of sound and fury, signifying
nothing. ~ William Shakespeare

[PromaBoss]

itsa only sefl percetion if you only do it yoursefl if you get a secind
opinion someone knowing you honestly answering then its better

Post by Gareeth

Post by Gareeth

Post by red_haired_nt
Test# 1: What Is Your Empathy Quotient?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/life/flash/page/0,13249,937836,00.html

I especially dislike this test. I cannot think that it actually

measures

Post by Gareeth
ones empathy quotient. The first time I took it I got 6 and tonight

when I

Post by Gareeth
thought I was actually doing pretty well at it I got 8. There is no

way I

Post by Gareeth
could be that free of empathy and do the work I do so I choose to

think that

Post by Gareeth
whatever it measures it isn't empathy.

I think you're right, that the test is flawed. First off, at least
10. People often tell me I went too far in driving my point home in a
discussion.
30. People often tell me that I am very unpredictable.
36. Other people tell me I am good at understanding how they are
feeling and what they are thinking.
Most people aren't that specific or direct, unless they have very
close, extended contact with the person. If the person is autistic, it
is less likely that such scenarios would arise.
Secondly, the following question
1. I can easily tell if someone wants to enter a conversation
Several of the questions are only a measure of how you feel about
yourself -- if you feel you have low abilities in that area then the
test will reflect that. It is lacking in objective measures, but
unfortunately this is very difficult to do online.
There was one test that was not skewed by self-perception, one I took a
long time ago but I don't know where to find the link. It was on
reading faces. It was kind of cool because at the end of the test you
somehow got to meet up with people with similar matching scores.

Post by Gareeth
Gareeth

//red_haired_neurotyp punk\\
Life is a tale told by an idiot -- full of sound and fury, signifying
nothing. ~ William Shakespeare

[Sarah]

Post by red_haired_nt
10. People often tell me I went too far in driving my point home in a
discussion.
30. People often tell me that I am very unpredictable.
36. Other people tell me I am good at understanding how they are
feeling and what they are thinking.
Most people aren't that specific or direct, unless they have very
close, extended contact with the person. If the person is autistic, it
is less likely that such scenarios would arise.

Oh I dunno, I am autistic but I think I'm quite good at figuring out how
people are feeling. he two things are not mutually exclusive. I'm just
good at figuring out other auties, not Nts. That's the main problem
with these tests. They assume the world it all done by Nt rules. My
life is full of other auties so in my case the rules are different.

[PromaBoss]

25 for EQ test is quite high marked out of 30


i scored 19 for my aspergers diagnossi and only 16 now,and the lower then
the more it points towards an AS diagnois

but for AQ out of 50 its the other way round the higher the more likely you
are to be AS but of course its only part of a diagnoiis


so currently 16 for EQ 43 FOR AQ so i am even more apsie now that 3 years
ago,well in reality nor at lot has changed thorughout my whole life

i dont take not of what i go up on or down on,i just see the questions and
give my answers honestly as to how i am

but alsdo get my dad to take the test as if he is looking at me,that way i
think its more realisatic than just relying on ones own scoring

Post by red_haired_nt
Test# 1: What Is Your Empathy Quotient?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/life/flash/page/0,13249,937836,00.html
25 is my score.. can you beat it?
Test# 2: Social Skills Test
http://www.psychtests.com/tests/relationships/social_skills_access.html
Here I scored 51. This test does seem skewed towards
psychological/emotional (EQ) type factors rather than bare bones people
processing skills. I sensed that whoever created the test didn't know
much about autism.
Test# 3: Take The AQ Test
http://wired-vig.wired.com/wired/archive/9.12/aqtest.html
Here I scored 31.
Fortunately, for all three of these sites, no registration is
required.. I was relieved to go through the process and not have to
give out my credit card information at the end of the test. :-)
--
//red_haired_neurotyp punk\\
Life is a tale told by an idiot -- full of sound and fury, signifying
nothing. ~ William Shakespeare

[red_haired_nt]

Post by PromaBoss
25 for EQ test is quite high marked out of 30

Is it? I wonder how that would compare with other NTs. Would like to go
to the alt.parties.get.drunk NG and see if they wanna take the test :>

Post by PromaBoss
i scored 19 for my aspergers diagnossi and only 16 now,and the lower then
the more it points towards an AS diagnois
but for AQ out of 50 its the other way round the higher the more likely you
are to be AS but of course its only part of a diagnoiis
so currently 16 for EQ 43 FOR AQ so i am even more apsie now that 3 years
ago,well in reality nor at lot has changed thorughout my whole life
i dont take not of what i go up on or down on,i just see the

questions and

Post by PromaBoss
give my answers honestly as to how i am
but alsdo get my dad to take the test as if he is looking at me,that way i
think its more realisatic than just relying on ones own scoring

You are right, because the score could be skewed if you perceive
yourself to have a certain trait that you might not have in reality (or
vice versa). One major hang up I had during the test was knowing that I
act much differently around people that I'm close to, vs. friends or
casual acquaintances. I may see someone I'm close to 7 days a week, and
my answers to those questions would be vastly different from when I'm
in acting mode. Which results weigh more? Your behavior around someone
you see all the time, or how you act around 99% of the population? It
was a challenge to attempt to weigh those equally.

Post by PromaBoss

Post by red_haired_nt
Test# 1: What Is Your Empathy Quotient?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/life/flash/page/0,13249,937836,00.html
25 is my score.. can you beat it?
Test# 2: Social Skills Test

http://www.psychtests.com/tests/relationships/social_skills_access.html

Post by PromaBoss

Post by red_haired_nt
Here I scored 51. This test does seem skewed towards
psychological/emotional (EQ) type factors rather than bare bones people
processing skills. I sensed that whoever created the test didn't know
much about autism.
Test# 3: Take The AQ Test
http://wired-vig.wired.com/wired/archive/9.12/aqtest.html
Here I scored 31.
Fortunately, for all three of these sites, no registration is
required.. I was relieved to go through the process and not have to
give out my credit card information at the end of the test. :-)

--
//red_haired_neurotypical punk\

Post by PromaBoss

Post by red_haired_nt
Life is a tale told by an idiot -- full of sound and fury,

signifying

Post by PromaBoss

Post by red_haired_nt
nothing. ~ William Shakespeare

[PromaBoss]

i would say how you react with 99 pre cent of people is what any dagnosis
should be based on


i do act differantly but not to any great degree,yes i feel a bit safer but
really my meltdowens/coping problems will happne if i was working or in
street or at home,with friends or families and that goes for all my hygiene
issues,for examole i know have girlfiend but my hygien habits are the same
and i am not likely to change for a start i feel very uncofortabl with water
on me,if i wash i feel real iuncoformatble for hours so only do it
ocassionaly.

at some point she will see me pick my nose and eat,i have no doubt i wont go
out of my way to do it or any of my repetiutious noises and so on,but if we
were to spend a wek together she woulsd see a lot,and well i have no idea
what she will be like but sadly will have to put up with it,i am who i am

Post by red_haired_nt

Post by PromaBoss
25 for EQ test is quite high marked out of 30

Is it? I wonder how that would compare with other NTs. Would like to go
to the alt.parties.get.drunk NG and see if they wanna take the test :>

Post by PromaBoss
i scored 19 for my aspergers diagnossi and only 16 now,and the lower

then

Post by PromaBoss
the more it points towards an AS diagnois
but for AQ out of 50 its the other way round the higher the more

likely you

Post by PromaBoss
are to be AS but of course its only part of a diagnoiis
so currently 16 for EQ 43 FOR AQ so i am even more apsie now that 3

years

Post by PromaBoss
ago,well in reality nor at lot has changed thorughout my whole life
i dont take not of what i go up on or down on,i just see the

questions and

Post by PromaBoss
give my answers honestly as to how i am
but alsdo get my dad to take the test as if he is looking at me,that

way i

Post by PromaBoss
think its more realisatic than just relying on ones own scoring

You are right, because the score could be skewed if you perceive
yourself to have a certain trait that you might not have in reality (or
vice versa). One major hang up I had during the test was knowing that I
act much differently around people that I'm close to, vs. friends or
casual acquaintances. I may see someone I'm close to 7 days a week, and
my answers to those questions would be vastly different from when I'm
in acting mode. Which results weigh more? Your behavior around someone
you see all the time, or how you act around 99% of the population? It
was a challenge to attempt to weigh those equally.

Post by PromaBoss

Post by red_haired_nt
Test# 1: What Is Your Empathy Quotient?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/life/flash/page/0,13249,937836,00.html
25 is my score.. can you beat it?
Test# 2: Social Skills Test

http://www.psychtests.com/tests/relationships/social_skills_access.html

Post by PromaBoss

Post by red_haired_nt
Here I scored 51. This test does seem skewed towards
psychological/emotional (EQ) type factors rather than bare bones

people

Post by PromaBoss

Post by red_haired_nt
processing skills. I sensed that whoever created the test didn't

know

Post by PromaBoss

Post by red_haired_nt
much about autism.
Test# 3: Take The AQ Test
http://wired-vig.wired.com/wired/archive/9.12/aqtest.html
Here I scored 31.
Fortunately, for all three of these sites, no registration is
required.. I was relieved to go through the process and not have to
give out my credit card information at the end of the test. :-)

--
//red_haired_neurotypical punk\

Post by PromaBoss

Post by red_haired_nt
Life is a tale told by an idiot -- full of sound and fury,

signifying

Post by PromaBoss

Post by red_haired_nt
nothing. ~ William Shakespeare

[dobey the elf]

Post by red_haired_nt
Test# 1: What Is Your Empathy Quotient?

I thought a quotient was the result of a division? We got the divider,
the divisor and the quotient though I can't remember is the quotient
above or below the house top?

Post by red_haired_nt
http://www.guardian.co.uk/life/flash/page/0,13249,937836,00.html
25 is my score.. can you beat it?

This isn't a competition you know. This is our lives.

Post by red_haired_nt
Test# 2: Social Skills Test

http://www.psychtests.com/tests/relationships/social_skills_access.html

Post by red_haired_nt
Here I scored 51. This test does seem skewed towards
psychological/emotional (EQ) type factors rather than bare bones people
processing skills. I sensed that whoever created the test didn't know
much about autism.
Test# 3: Take The AQ Test
http://wired-vig.wired.com/wired/archive/9.12/aqtest.html
Here I scored 31.
Fortunately, for all three of these sites, no registration is
required.. I was relieved to go through the process and not have to
give out my credit card information at the end of the test. :-)
--
//red_haired_neurotyp punk\\
Life is a tale told by an idiot -- full of sound and fury, signifying
nothing. ~ William Shakespeare

[Aileen]

Post by red_haired_nt
Test# 3: Take The AQ Test
http://wired-vig.wired.com/wired/archive/9.12/aqtest.html
Here I scored 31.

Took this a year or so ago. Scored 40.

Aileen

[Hylander]

Post by red_haired_nt
Test# 1: What Is Your Empathy Quotient?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/life/flash/page/0,13249,937836,00.html
25 is my score.. can you beat it?

I got 17. I did answer a few questions somewhat out of the trend
because in some situations it's true. I actually do often appreciate a
different point of view for example.

The other test was pretty similar and I'd figure a similar score.

The last one I've taken a few times before already.

Have you taken some of the tests that predict which famous dead person
you are most like or which religion fits you? ie: I got Jainism
surprisingly. (although my religion did show up in the list). I also
got "Quaker". :P

H

[dobey the elf]

Post by Hylander

Post by red_haired_nt
Test# 1: What Is Your Empathy Quotient?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/life/flash/page/0,13249,937836,00.html
25 is my score.. can you beat it?

I got 17. I did answer a few questions somewhat out of the trend
because in some situations it's true. I actually do often appreciate a
different point of view for example.
The other test was pretty similar and I'd figure a similar score.
The last one I've taken a few times before already.
Have you taken some of the tests that predict which famous dead person
you are most like or which religion fits you? ie: I got Jainism
surprisingly. (although my religion did show up in the list). I also
got "Quaker". :P

Is that what they mean by Quaker OTs?

Post by Hylander
H

[Hylander]

Post by red_haired_nt

Post by Hylander

Post by red_haired_nt
Test# 1: What Is Your Empathy Quotient?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/life/flash/page/0,13249,937836,00.html
25 is my score.. can you beat it?

I got 17. I did answer a few questions somewhat out of the trend
because in some situations it's true. I actually do often

appreciate

Post by red_haired_nt
a

Post by Hylander
different point of view for example.
The other test was pretty similar and I'd figure a similar score.
The last one I've taken a few times before already.
Have you taken some of the tests that predict which famous dead

person

Post by Hylander
you are most like or which religion fits you? ie: I got Jainism
surprisingly. (although my religion did show up in the list). I also
got "Quaker". :P

Is that what they mean by Quaker OTs?

I don't know. Does anyone sow their wild Quakers?

:P

H

[dobey the elf]

Post by Hylander

Post by red_haired_nt

Post by Hylander

Post by red_haired_nt
Test# 1: What Is Your Empathy Quotient?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/life/flash/page/0,13249,937836,00.html

Post by Hylander

Post by red_haired_nt

Post by Hylander

Post by red_haired_nt
25 is my score.. can you beat it?

I got 17. I did answer a few questions somewhat out of the trend
because in some situations it's true. I actually do often

appreciate

Post by red_haired_nt
a

Post by Hylander
different point of view for example.
The other test was pretty similar and I'd figure a similar score.
The last one I've taken a few times before already.
Have you taken some of the tests that predict which famous dead

person

Post by Hylander
you are most like or which religion fits you? ie: I got Jainism
surprisingly. (although my religion did show up in the list). I

also

Post by red_haired_nt

Post by Hylander
got "Quaker". :P

Is that what they mean by Quaker OTs?

I don't know. Does anyone sow their wild Quakers?

I've heard some are Quaker than others...

Post by Hylander
:P
H

[Morris]

Post by red_haired_nt
Test# 1: What Is Your Empathy Quotient?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/life/flash/page/0,13249,937836,00.html
25 is my score.. can you beat it?
Test# 2: Social Skills Test
http://www.psychtests.com/tests/relationships/social_skills_access.htm

l

Post by red_haired_nt
Here I scored 51. This test does seem skewed towards
psychological/emotional (EQ) type factors rather than bare bones
people processing skills. I sensed that whoever created the test
didn't know much about autism.
Test# 3: Take The AQ Test
http://wired-vig.wired.com/wired/archive/9.12/aqtest.html
Here I scored 31.
Fortunately, for all three of these sites, no registration is
required.. I was relieved to go through the process and not have to
give out my credit card information at the end of the test. :-)
--
//red_haired_neurotyp punk\\
Life is a tale told by an idiot -- full of sound and fury, signifying
nothing. ~ William Shakespeare

Empathy Quotient 11
Autistic Quotient 47
...both done a little while ago

Morris

[Terry Jones]

Post by red_haired_nt
What Is Your Empathy Quotient?

I'm not convinced that the average NT really has a general empathic
capability - It may *appear* that they do, because a "everybody's
basically like me" model is far more likely to work for them than it
is for an autistic - But outside their chosen peer group - with those
of different backgrounds - age, class, sub-cultural group, culture,
etc., that understanding and those assumptions break down.

Terry

[red_haired_nt]

Post by Terry Jones

Post by red_haired_nt
What Is Your Empathy Quotient?

I'm not convinced that the average NT really has a general empathic
capability - It may *appear* that they do, because a "everybody's
basically like me" model is far more likely to work for them than it
is for an autistic - But outside their chosen peer group - with those
of different backgrounds - age, class, sub-cultural group, culture,
etc., that understanding and those assumptions break down.

That is very true, I'm afraid. At least in my experience this group is
-- much more understanding than more 'typical' newsgroups. Empathy as
an NT-based concept may be a corrupt one then, if the only measure is:
How well can I read other people? How the heck do we know what other
people think?? It does seem the current measure of empathy is how well
we fit into the mold of the game, which as you pointed out elsewhere
does not necessarily work. My experience is that autistics indeed are
better predictors of outcome -- the people of ASA know infinitely more
about how I really want to be responded to and listened to than in any
other newsgroup. For the NTs, what good does this so-called high
empathic capability have if it only means adhering to a script (and the
ability to respond in such a way as to elicit others' fake adherence to
the script)? I daresay that empathy ought to be redefined :> In Merriam

Post by Terry Jones

Post by red_haired_nt
What Is Your Empathy Quotient?

I'm not convinced that the average NT really has a general empathic
capability - It may *appear* that they do, because a "everybody's
basically like me" model is far more likely to work for them than it
is for an autistic - But outside their chosen peer group - with those
of different backgrounds - age, class, sub-cultural group, culture,
etc., that understanding and those assumptions break down.

That is very true, I'm afraid. At least my experience in this group is
-- much more understanding than more 'typical' newsgroups. Empathy as
an NT-based concept may be a corrupt one then, if the only measure is:
How well can I read other people? How the heck do we know what other
people think?? It does seem the current measure of empathy is how well
we fit into the mold of the game, which as you pointed out in another
thread, does not necessarily work. My experience is that autistics
indeed are better predictors of outcome -- the people of ASA know
infinitely more about how I really want to be responded to and listened
to than in any other newsgroup. For the NTs, what good does this
so-called high empathic capability have if it only means adhering to a
script (and the ability to respond in such a way as to elicit others'
fake adherence to the script)? It is functionally useless. People who
are subject to discrimination get burned. OTOH empathy from an AC point
of view takes additional factors into consideration, some of which are
even counterintuitive, such as, Hey this person walks like a duck, but
is s/he really a duck? The ability to step outside of the box and
analyze things like that involves a necessary removal from the typical
NT playacting dance. From my observation, ACs are much more adept at
this than NTs. :>

//red_haired_neurotyp punk\\

Life is a tale told by an idiot -- full of sound and fury, signifying
nothing. ~ William Shakespeare

[red_haired_nt]

My post got mangled. Have no idea how that happened. :\ The bottom
portion is my actual reply.

Post by red_haired_nt

23:07:13 -0700

Post by red_haired_nt
What Is Your Empathy Quotient?

I'm not convinced that the average NT really has a general empathic
capability - It may *appear* that they do, because a "everybody's
basically like me" model is far more likely to work for them than it
is for an autistic - But outside their chosen peer group - with those
of different backgrounds - age, class, sub-cultural group, culture,
etc., that understanding and those assumptions break down.

That is very true, I'm afraid. At least in my experience this group is
-- much more understanding than more 'typical' newsgroups. Empathy as
How well can I read other people? How the heck do we know what other
people think?? It does seem the current measure of empathy is how well
we fit into the mold of the game, which as you pointed out elsewhere
does not necessarily work. My experience is that autistics indeed are
better predictors of outcome -- the people of ASA know infinitely more
about how I really want to be responded to and listened to than in any
other newsgroup. For the NTs, what good does this so-called high
empathic capability have if it only means adhering to a script (and the
ability to respond in such a way as to elicit others' fake adherence to
the script)? I daresay that empathy ought to be redefined :> In Merriam

23:07:13 -0700

Post by red_haired_nt
What Is Your Empathy Quotient?

I'm not convinced that the average NT really has a general empathic
capability - It may *appear* that they do, because a "everybody's
basically like me" model is far more likely to work for them than it
is for an autistic - But outside their chosen peer group - with those
of different backgrounds - age, class, sub-cultural group, culture,
etc., that understanding and those assumptions break down.

That is very true, I'm afraid. At least my experience in this group is
-- much more understanding than more 'typical' newsgroups. Empathy as
How well can I read other people? How the heck do we know what other
people think?? It does seem the current measure of empathy is how well
we fit into the mold of the game, which as you pointed out in another
thread, does not necessarily work. My experience is that autistics
indeed are better predictors of outcome -- the people of ASA know
infinitely more about how I really want to be responded to and

listened

Post by red_haired_nt
to than in any other newsgroup. For the NTs, what good does this
so-called high empathic capability have if it only means adhering to a
script (and the ability to respond in such a way as to elicit others'
fake adherence to the script)? It is functionally useless. People who
are subject to discrimination get burned. OTOH empathy from an AC point
of view takes additional factors into consideration, some of which are
even counterintuitive, such as, Hey this person walks like a duck, but
is s/he really a duck? The ability to step outside of the box and
analyze things like that involves a necessary removal from the

typical

Post by red_haired_nt
NT playacting dance. From my observation, ACs are much more adept at
this than NTs. :>
//red_haired_neurotyp punk\\
Life is a tale told by an idiot -- full of sound and fury, signifying
nothing. ~ William Shakespeare

[rapum lucidum]

Post by Terry Jones
I'm not convinced that the average NT really has a general empathic
capability - It may *appear* that they do, because a "everybody's
basically like me" model is far more likely to work for them than it
is for an autistic [...]

I'm thinking of making my own empathy test, using my own definition of
empathy. It will test people's ability not to jump to conclusions ;-)

[Stephen Wilson]

Post by red_haired_nt
Test# 1: What Is Your Empathy Quotient?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/life/flash/page/0,13249,937836,00.html
25 is my score.. can you beat it?

I got 24.

[Stephen Wilson]

Post by red_haired_nt
Test# 3: Take The AQ Test
http://wired-vig.wired.com/wired/archive/9.12/aqtest.html
Here I scored 31.

I got 36...

[sam ende]

Post by Stephen Wilson

Post by red_haired_nt
Test# 3: Take The AQ Test
http://wired-vig.wired.com/wired/archive/9.12/aqtest.html
Here I scored 31.

I got 36...

i got 36 on that years ago, well before i knew i was autie. thought it
was a fluke. i've been posting here for years (off and on).

sammi

[Stephen Wilson]

Post by sam ende

Post by Stephen Wilson

Post by red_haired_nt
Test# 3: Take The AQ Test
http://wired-vig.wired.com/wired/archive/9.12/aqtest.html
Here I scored 31.

I got 36...

i got 36 on that years ago, well before i knew i was autie. thought it
was a fluke. i've been posting here for years (off and on).

I'm always somewhat suspicious of all these multiple choice quizzes that
claim to be able to work out your personality. For a start, what you might
put down on paper is not necessarily what you'd do in real life. You're also
answering questions on yourself, and very few people see themselves in the
same way others do. And certain questions you may put a random answer simply
because you have no strong feelings either way. And other questions you may
answer in the way you *think* you should answer, knowing the nature of the
test.

And at the end of the day, I don't see how any accurate assessment can be
made of any human being from a few tick box responses.

[sam ende]

Post by Stephen Wilson
I'm always somewhat suspicious of all these multiple choice quizzes
that claim to be able to work out your personality.

in the sense that personality is far more complex than such quizzes
allow for, yes. they remind me of astrology charts, it seems to be the
same format/ thinking.

Post by Stephen Wilson
For a start, what
you might put down on paper is not necessarily what you'd do in real
life. You're also answering questions on yourself, and very few people
see themselves in the same way others do.

true.

Post by Stephen Wilson
And certain questions you
may put a random answer simply because you have no strong feelings
either way.

yes. i did a colour personality test last evening and i didn't like any
of the colours really but made choices. thinking about it later on i
relaised i don't have as such a favourite colour, i like all colours
but the more intense ones the best, but i would not wear those colours
or feel comfortable wearing bright colours.

Post by Stephen Wilson
And other questions you may answer in the way you *think*
you should answer, knowing the nature of the test.

yes.

Post by Stephen Wilson
And at the end of the day, I don't see how any accurate assessment can
be made of any human being from a few tick box responses.

me neither.

sammi

[Bubbleghost]

Post by red_haired_nt
Test# 1: What Is Your Empathy Quotient?
25 is my score.. can you beat it?

up or down? EQ=7

Post by red_haired_nt
Test# 2: Social Skills Test
Here I scored 51.

30/100

Post by red_haired_nt
Test# 3: Take The AQ Test
Here I scored 31.

AQ = 44

gotta go to work...

[rednose]

On 12 Apr 2005 23:07:13 -0700, "red_haired_nt"

Post by red_haired_nt
Test# 1: What Is Your Empathy Quotient?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/life/flash/page/0,13249,937836,00.html
25 is my score.. can you beat it?

15

Post by red_haired_nt
Test# 2: Social Skills Test
http://www.psychtests.com/tests/relationships/social_skills_access.html
Here I scored 51. This test does seem skewed towards
psychological/emotional (EQ) type factors rather than bare bones people
processing skills. I sensed that whoever created the test didn't know
much about autism.

36
Interpretation

Your results on The Social Skills Test show that your social skills
are fairly poor. You either haven't really learned what it takes to
put people at ease, or you do not always bother to put the knowledge
you do have to use. As a result, it is possible that you may be
missing out on some of life's biggest pleasures - friendship, love and
companionship.

Well that cheered me up no end!

Post by red_haired_nt
Test# 3: Take The AQ Test
http://wired-vig.wired.com/wired/archive/9.12/aqtest.html
Here I scored 31.

47

Post by red_haired_nt
Fortunately, for all three of these sites, no registration is
required.. I was relieved to go through the process and not have to
give out my credit card information at the end of the test. :-)

[The autist formerly known as]

Its not a competition, and frankly my empathy quotient is so low that I
don't care about mine or anybody elses :)
--
þT

L'autisme c'est moi

"Space folds, and folded space bends, and bent folded space contracts and
expands unevenly in every way unconcievable except to someone who does not
believe in the laws of mathematics"

Post by red_haired_nt
Test# 1: What Is Your Empathy Quotient?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/life/flash/page/0,13249,937836,00.html
25 is my score.. can you beat it?
Test# 2: Social Skills Test
http://www.psychtests.com/tests/relationships/social_skills_access.html
Here I scored 51. This test does seem skewed towards
psychological/emotional (EQ) type factors rather than bare bones people
processing skills. I sensed that whoever created the test didn't know
much about autism.
Test# 3: Take The AQ Test
http://wired-vig.wired.com/wired/archive/9.12/aqtest.html
Here I scored 31.
Fortunately, for all three of these sites, no registration is
required.. I was relieved to go through the process and not have to
give out my credit card information at the end of the test. :-)
--
//red_haired_neurotyp punk\\
Life is a tale told by an idiot -- full of sound and fury, signifying
nothing. ~ William Shakespeare

[dobey the elf]

Post by The autist formerly known as
Its not a competition, and frankly my empathy quotient is so low that I
don't care about mine or anybody elses :)

so that means the value of your divisor is low too?

Post by The autist formerly known as
--
þT
L'autisme c'est moi
"Space folds, and folded space bends, and bent folded space contracts and
expands unevenly in every way unconcievable except to someone who does not
believe in the laws of mathematics"

Post by red_haired_nt
Test# 1: What Is Your Empathy Quotient?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/life/flash/page/0,13249,937836,00.html
25 is my score.. can you beat it?
Test# 2: Social Skills Test

http://www.psychtests.com/tests/relationships/social_skills_access.html

Post by The autist formerly known as

Post by red_haired_nt
Here I scored 51. This test does seem skewed towards
psychological/emotional (EQ) type factors rather than bare bones people
processing skills. I sensed that whoever created the test didn't know
much about autism.
Test# 3: Take The AQ Test
http://wired-vig.wired.com/wired/archive/9.12/aqtest.html
Here I scored 31.
Fortunately, for all three of these sites, no registration is
required.. I was relieved to go through the process and not have to
give out my credit card information at the end of the test. :-)
--
//red_haired_neurotyp punk\\
Life is a tale told by an idiot -- full of sound and fury,

signifying

Post by The autist formerly known as

Post by red_haired_nt
nothing. ~ William Shakespeare

[The autist formerly known as]

No I have a broad brim all around my hat :)
--
þT

L'autisme c'est moi

"Space folds, and folded space bends, and bent folded space contracts and
expands unevenly in every way unconcievable except to someone who does not
believe in the laws of mathematics"

"dobey the elf" <***@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:***@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...

so that means the value of your divisor is low too?

[dobey the elf]

Post by The autist formerly known as
No I have a broad brim all around my hat :)

great pun! I missed it first time around.

Post by The autist formerly known as
--
þT
L'autisme c'est moi
"Space folds, and folded space bends, and bent folded space contracts and
expands unevenly in every way unconcievable except to someone who does not
believe in the laws of mathematics"
so that means the value of your divisor is low too?

[red_haired_nt]

Post by The autist formerly known as
Its not a competition, and frankly my empathy quotient is so low that I
don't care about mine or anybody elses :)

You're not the first person who has made reference to the word
'competition' in my remark. I don't mean it as a competition, and my
apologies if it came across that way. As discussed in another thread,
empathy is a nebulous concept, because the testmakers are probably NT
and can only see their side of things.

Post by The autist formerly known as
--
þT
L'autisme c'est moi
"Space folds, and folded space bends, and bent folded space contracts and
expands unevenly in every way unconcievable except to someone who does not
believe in the laws of mathematics"

Post by red_haired_nt
Test# 1: What Is Your Empathy Quotient?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/life/flash/page/0,13249,937836,00.html
25 is my score.. can you beat it?
Test# 2: Social Skills Test

http://www.psychtests.com/tests/relationships/social_skills_access.html

Post by The autist formerly known as

Post by red_haired_nt
Here I scored 51. This test does seem skewed towards
psychological/emotional (EQ) type factors rather than bare bones people
processing skills. I sensed that whoever created the test didn't know
much about autism.
Test# 3: Take The AQ Test
http://wired-vig.wired.com/wired/archive/9.12/aqtest.html
Here I scored 31.
Fortunately, for all three of these sites, no registration is
required.. I was relieved to go through the process and not have to
give out my credit card information at the end of the test. :-)
--
//red_haired_neurotyp punk\\
Life is a tale told by an idiot -- full of sound and fury,

signifying

Post by The autist formerly known as

Post by red_haired_nt
nothing. ~ William Shakespeare

[The autist formerly known as]

Empathy is a construct, but it is constructed by NT's by reference to mirror
neurones, firing in sympathy with what is observed (no observation no
empathy one presumes)

Autists construct empathy through varios computational matrices.

Well that is the thery anyway
--
þT

L'autisme c'est moi

"Space folds, and folded space bends, and bent folded space contracts and
expands unevenly in every way unconcievable except to someone who does not
believe in the laws of mathematics"


"red_haired_nt" <***@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:***@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...


You're not the first person who has made reference to the word
'competition' in my remark. I don't mean it as a competition, and my
apologies if it came across that way. As discussed in another thread,
empathy is a nebulous concept, because the testmakers are probably NT
and can only see their side of things.

[Solaris]

My results are as follows:

AQ: 45
EQ: 8
SQ: 60
Brain type: Extreme systemising

I was diagnosed in November 2004, at the age of 32 with Asperger's
Syndrome.

On 12 Apr 2005 23:07:13 -0700, "red_haired_nt"

Post by red_haired_nt
Test# 1: What Is Your Empathy Quotient?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/life/flash/page/0,13249,937836,00.html
25 is my score.. can you beat it?
Test# 2: Social Skills Test
http://www.psychtests.com/tests/relationships/social_skills_access.html
Here I scored 51. This test does seem skewed towards
psychological/emotional (EQ) type factors rather than bare bones people
processing skills. I sensed that whoever created the test didn't know
much about autism.
Test# 3: Take The AQ Test
http://wired-vig.wired.com/wired/archive/9.12/aqtest.html
Here I scored 31.
Fortunately, for all three of these sites, no registration is
required.. I was relieved to go through the process and not have to
give out my credit card information at the end of the test. :-)

[Solaris]

My results are as follows:

AQ: 45
EQ: 8
SQ: 60
Brain type: Extreme systemising

I was diagnosed with Aspergers Syndrome at the age of 32.

www.aspietalk.co.uk



On 12 Apr 2005 23:07:13 -0700, "red_haired_nt"

Post by red_haired_nt
Test# 1: What Is Your Empathy Quotient?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/life/flash/page/0,13249,937836,00.html
25 is my score.. can you beat it?
Test# 2: Social Skills Test
http://www.psychtests.com/tests/relationships/social_skills_access.html
Here I scored 51. This test does seem skewed towards
psychological/emotional (EQ) type factors rather than bare bones people
processing skills. I sensed that whoever created the test didn't know
much about autism.
Test# 3: Take The AQ Test
http://wired-vig.wired.com/wired/archive/9.12/aqtest.html
Here I scored 31.
Fortunately, for all three of these sites, no registration is
required.. I was relieved to go through the process and not have to
give out my credit card information at the end of the test. :-)

[red_haired_nt]

Post by Solaris
AQ: 45
EQ: 8
SQ: 60
Brain type: Extreme systemising
I was diagnosed with Aspergers Syndrome at the age of 32.
www.aspietalk.co.uk

SQ in your case Social Quotient or Systemizing Quotient? One of the
tests I posted was for social skills (see original post).

Post by Solaris
On 12 Apr 2005 23:07:13 -0700, "red_haired_nt"

Post by red_haired_nt
Test# 1: What Is Your Empathy Quotient?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/life/flash/page/0,13249,937836,00.html
25 is my score.. can you beat it?
Test# 2: Social Skills Test

http://www.psychtests.com/tests/relationships/social_skills_access.html

Post by red_haired_nt
Here I scored 51. This test does seem skewed towards
psychological/emotional (EQ) type factors rather than bare bones people
processing skills. I sensed that whoever created the test didn't know
much about autism.
Test# 3: Take The AQ Test
http://wired-vig.wired.com/wired/archive/9.12/aqtest.html
Here I scored 31.
Fortunately, for all three of these sites, no registration is
required.. I was relieved to go through the process and not have to
give out my credit card information at the end of the test. :-)

[The autist formerly known as]

Was you now ?

I could anser those questions any way I wanted to and change them from day
by day and what would that mean ?

I do not have a brain type, I merely have a brain, and you are
upharsinating, and if you don't know what that means, I guess you will have
to practice your SQ somewhat.

Now it might have been said by an spailpean rua that this ain't no
competition, but if you start comparing scores then it surely becomes so
does it not ?
--
þT

L'autisme c'est moi

"Space folds, and folded space bends, and bent folded space contracts and
expands unevenly in every way unconcievable except to someone who does not
believe in the laws of mathematics"

Post by Solaris
AQ: 45
EQ: 8
SQ: 60
Brain type: Extreme systemising
I was diagnosed with Aspergers Syndrome at the age of 32.
www.aspietalk.co.uk

[sam ende]

Post by The autist formerly known as
Was you now ?
I could anser those questions any way I wanted to and change them from
day by day and what would that mean ?

that you're an awkward bugger ?

:)

sammi

[The autist formerly known as]

Are you trying to trump me with a fizbin ?
--
þT

L'autisme c'est moi

"Space folds, and folded space bends, and bent folded space contracts and
expands unevenly in every way unconcievable except to someone who does not
believe in the laws of mathematics"

Post by sam ende
that you're an awkward bugger ?
:)
sammi

[sam ende]

Post by The autist formerly known as
Are you trying to trump me with a fizbin ?

i''l let you know when i've found out what fizbin means.

sammi

[Terry Jones]

Post by The autist formerly known as
I could anser those questions any way I wanted to and change them from day
by day and what would that mean ?

That you're fickle? :)

[j***@gmail.com]

I scored a 62.