heavy metal cleansing? chelation? bentonite clay? mercury connection?

[Aaron W. West]

Has anyone tried heavy metal detoxes and want to comment?

http://www.evenbetternow.com/autism.html

Also interesting is that Kombucha, which I've started to drink, might have
some protective effect or cleansing effect against mercury poisoning. It's a
loose connection, but interesting to consider, I think:

http://w3.trib.com/~kombu/roche.html

...
In the research program, data was collated on environmental conditions and
the everyday habits of the people were closely examined for any possible
clues about their extremely high resistance to cancer. In particular, the
districts of Ssolikamsk and Beresniki - in the Western Ural Mountains - were
studied since there were hardly any recorded cases of cancer. Most
surprising to the researchers was that this area, in particular, was a
rapidly expanding industrial zone where highly toxic metals were
manufactured such as potassium, lead and mercury together with asbestos. All
this industrial pollution rated the area as one of the most toxic throughout
the USSR and this was evidenced by dead fish floating in the Kama river and
many species of trees were withering away with the uptake of so many
industrial pollutants.

...

On questioning the housewife about what they eat and drink, he was
introduced to some stoneware jars as being the source of their 'Tea Kwass'
...
...

[wondercook]

I've always wanted to try making Kombucha and drinking it but it's trouble
getting the cultures in the UK (especially Scotland) and the trouble making
sure it doesn't become contaminated with poisonous fungi or bacteria.

I have a lot of digestive problems and wanted to try either this or the
Kefir drink which is the same as Kombucha except it's in milk instead of
water. Perhaps the digestive problems are the cause of my autistic
behaviour? But I doubt it since I've had social problems since I was very
young.

Anyone know of shops in the UK, preferably Scotland, where you would get
cultures?

[Joel Smith]

Post by Aaron W. West
Has anyone tried heavy metal detoxes and want to comment?

This is almost always a scam or just plain quack medicine.

Was the person in question exposed to large quantities of heavy metals? Not
small doses, not vacinnes, but actual large quantities? If so, then yes
this might be fine. But if it is small doses years ago, even if they did
cause the autism (there is no evidence that they do), these therapies will,
at best, have no effect. At worst, some of the possible side effects
include death and brain damage - even when the therapies are properly
administered for actual heavy metal poisoning. Treating autism by chelation
is certainly not approved by any recognized medical board anywhere in the
world. There is a reason (a good one actually) that your insurance company
doesn't cover this nor blood letting as a treatment for autism!

On the vacinne stuff, even if mercury in vacinnes *does* cause autism (as I
said, there isn't scientific evidence of this), children grow. A
significant amount of mercury for an infant is a lot less then a toddler
which is a lot less then a grade-school kid. So even if the mercury stays
in the brain, the amount is a lot less significant as the kid grows. So the
theory would have to rest on permanent damage caused by mecury during a
period of brain development, not continual worsening damage. If the damage
isn't getting worse, and it is already permantly done, why worry about the
mercury?

My advice - don't go to a "specialty" doctor who specializes in metal detox.
Go to your family doctor, tell him you want to know if this person appears
to be suffering from significant heavy metal poisoning. If he is, sure, go
through with what your doctor recommends - but otherwise I wouldn't subject
someone to this.

[Hylander]

Post by Joel Smith

Post by Aaron W. West
Has anyone tried heavy metal detoxes and want to comment?

This is almost always a scam or just plain quack medicine.
Was the person in question exposed to large quantities of heavy metals? Not
small doses, not vacinnes, but actual large quantities? If so, then yes
this might be fine. But if it is small doses years ago, even if they did
cause the autism (there is no evidence that they do), these therapies will,
at best, have no effect. At worst, some of the possible side effects
include death and brain damage - even when the therapies are properly
administered for actual heavy metal poisoning. Treating autism by chelation
is certainly not approved by any recognized medical board anywhere in the
world. There is a reason (a good one actually) that your insurance company
doesn't cover this nor blood letting as a treatment for autism!
On the vacinne stuff, even if mercury in vacinnes *does* cause autism (as I
said, there isn't scientific evidence of this), children grow. A
significant amount of mercury for an infant is a lot less then a toddler
which is a lot less then a grade-school kid. So even if the mercury stays
in the brain, the amount is a lot less significant as the kid grows. So the
theory would have to rest on permanent damage caused by mecury during a
period of brain development, not continual worsening damage. If the damage
isn't getting worse, and it is already permantly done, why worry about the
mercury?
My advice - don't go to a "specialty" doctor who specializes in metal detox.
Go to your family doctor, tell him you want to know if this person appears
to be suffering from significant heavy metal poisoning. If he is, sure, go
through with what your doctor recommends - but otherwise I wouldn't subject
someone to this.

You might ask for a blood test where they can to spectrography on it
and find if there are any heavy metal signatures for things like
lead/arsenic/mercury (I think most common of the poison metals). I sat
in on one once where they atomize the specimen (typically a spun down
blood sample in the body chemistries lab) into a flame (hot enough to
get a color) and use various optical recording devices to detect this
kind of thing.

[Hylander]

Post by Joel Smith

Post by Aaron W. West
Has anyone tried heavy metal detoxes and want to comment?

This is almost always a scam or just plain quack medicine.
Was the person in question exposed to large quantities of heavy metals? Not
small doses, not vacinnes, but actual large quantities? If so, then yes
this might be fine. But if it is small doses years ago, even if they did
cause the autism (there is no evidence that they do), these therapies will,
at best, have no effect. At worst, some of the possible side effects
include death and brain damage - even when the therapies are properly
administered for actual heavy metal poisoning. Treating autism by chelation
is certainly not approved by any recognized medical board anywhere in the
world. There is a reason (a good one actually) that your insurance company
doesn't cover this nor blood letting as a treatment for autism!
On the vacinne stuff, even if mercury in vacinnes *does* cause autism (as I
said, there isn't scientific evidence of this), children grow. A
significant amount of mercury for an infant is a lot less then a toddler
which is a lot less then a grade-school kid. So even if the mercury stays
in the brain, the amount is a lot less significant as the kid grows. So the
theory would have to rest on permanent damage caused by mecury during a
period of brain development, not continual worsening damage. If the damage
isn't getting worse, and it is already permantly done, why worry about the
mercury?
My advice - don't go to a "specialty" doctor who specializes in metal detox.
Go to your family doctor, tell him you want to know if this person appears
to be suffering from significant heavy metal poisoning. If he is, sure, go
through with what your doctor recommends - but otherwise I wouldn't subject
someone to this.

You might ask for a blood test where they can to spectrography on it
and find if there are any heavy metal signatures for things like
lead/arsenic/mercury (I think most common of the poison metals). I sat
in on one once where they atomize the specimen (typically a spun down
blood sample in the body chemistries lab) into a flame (hot enough to
get a color) and use various optical recording devices to detect this
kind of thing.

[Bubbleghost]

Post by Aaron W. West
Most
surprising to the researchers was that this area, in particular, was a
rapidly expanding industrial zone where highly toxic metals were
manufactured such as potassium,

Potassium, highly toxic?? It's a necessary mineral; the Sodium/Potassium
balance which keeps our nerves working and we'd be dead without it.

Toxic in excess maybe, but then so is chocolate.

[Dylan Lainhart]

Post by Bubbleghost
Potassium, highly toxic?? It's a necessary mineral; the Sodium/Potassium
balance which keeps our nerves working and we'd be dead without it.

Well, the metal itself is pretty nasty, one must admit. Especially when you
swallow a piece and your organs burst into flames.

[Rowe Rickenbacker]

Post by Dylan Lainhart

Post by Bubbleghost
Potassium, highly toxic?? It's a necessary mineral; the
Sodium/Potassium balance which keeps our nerves working and we'd be
dead without it.

Well, the metal itself is pretty nasty, one must admit. Especially
when you swallow a piece and your organs burst into flames.

Okay - that'd be interesting to watch...

Remember kids - don't get too much sodium in your diet!

Rowe

[Bubbleghost]

Post by Dylan Lainhart

Post by Bubbleghost
Potassium, highly toxic?? It's a necessary mineral; the Sodium/Potassium
balance which keeps our nerves working and we'd be dead without it.

Well, the metal itself is pretty nasty, one must admit. Especially when you
swallow a piece and your organs burst into flames.

If you swallow it, it would react violently with the stomach acid,
inflating you with hot hydrogen until you literally burst and ignite.

I suspect it would be difficult to swallow - the reaction with water in
saliva would produce highly caustic potassium hydroxide. This would
cause pain and blisters at every contact en route to your stomach so I
suspect it wouldn't even go down your throat.

But you could always leave a piece in a public urinal to make someone
gawp at their pee caching fire :)

[Dylan Lainhart]

Post by Bubbleghost
If you swallow it, it would react violently with the stomach acid,
inflating you with hot hydrogen until you literally burst and ignite.

Fun for the whole family!

Post by Bubbleghost
I suspect it would be difficult to swallow - the reaction with water in
saliva would produce highly caustic potassium hydroxide. This would
cause pain and blisters at every contact en route to your stomach so I
suspect it wouldn't even go down your throat.

True. If you swallow fast enough, maybe it'll work.

Post by Bubbleghost
But you could always leave a piece in a public urinal to make someone
gawp at their pee caching fire :)

In a public urinal? It'd burn the moment you throw it in there. Try putting
some in a toilet.

[Bubbleghost]

Post by Dylan Lainhart
In a public urinal? It'd burn the moment you throw it in there. Try putting
some in a toilet.

Depends what kind you have in tasteslikechikin-land. I envisaged the
type which are hung on wall or the long cattle-trough types.

(Bubbleghost is male, and this post is gender-specific.)

[Molybdenum]

Post by Bubbleghost

Post by Dylan Lainhart
In a public urinal? It'd burn the moment you throw it in there. Try putting
some in a toilet.

Depends what kind you have in tasteslikechikin-land. I envisaged the
type which are hung on wall or the long cattle-trough types.
(Bubbleghost is male, and this post is gender-specific.)

You sure about that???

http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a1_255.html

You might also enjoy http://www.urinal.net/ Make sure to check out the
Top 10 Urinals!




Monica
never seen a women's urinal

[Bubbleghost]

Post by Molybdenum

Post by Bubbleghost
(Bubbleghost is male, and this post is gender-specific.)

You sure about that???
http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a1_255.html
You might also enjoy http://www.urinal.net/ Make sure to check out the
Top 10 Urinals!

What on earth possessed you to follow that up, Monica? :) Cool site
though.

They didn't have any of the French pissoir urinals (raised foot shapes
to stand on on the floor, when you've finished the floor floods with
water but you're safe because you're above the water level).

I liked the ones at Echinzen, Japan best.

[Molybdenum]

Post by Bubbleghost

Post by Molybdenum

Post by Bubbleghost
(Bubbleghost is male, and this post is gender-specific.)

You sure about that???
http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a1_255.html
You might also enjoy http://www.urinal.net/ Make sure to check out the
Top 10 Urinals!

What on earth possessed you to follow that up, Monica? :) Cool site
though.

Possessed, yes...

I just happened to have read that Straight Dope article sometime in the
past year, and I guess it was haunting me :) because it leapt
immediately to mind when I read your apparent assertion that only boys
use urinals.

Don't know why, but I knew about the fancy urinal picture site too...

Post by Bubbleghost
They didn't have any of the French pissoir urinals (raised foot shapes
to stand on on the floor, when you've finished the floor floods with
water but you're safe because you're above the water level).
I liked the ones at Echinzen, Japan best.

It all looks very...soothing...

Did you see this? "Strangely poetic" was my husband's assessment...

http://www.urinal.net/pissmoan/japanese/

Enjoy :)




Monica

[Bubbleghost]

Post by Molybdenum
You sure about that???
http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a1_255.html
You might also enjoy http://www.urinal.net/ Make sure to check out the
Top 10 Urinals!

Monica, you'll love this one:

http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99996185

[Rowe Rickenbacker]

Post by Bubbleghost

Post by Dylan Lainhart
In a public urinal? It'd burn the moment you throw it in there. Try
putting some in a toilet.

Depends what kind you have in tasteslikechikin-land. I envisaged the
type which are hung on wall or the long cattle-trough types.

Yeah, but generally public urinals regularly water themselves, so have
wet sides. Unless you've got a pretty weakly reactive metal, it'd hardly
get in contact with the urinal itself before igniting.

Rowe

[Terry Jones]

Post by Bubbleghost

Post by Dylan Lainhart
In a public urinal? It'd burn the moment you throw it in there. Try putting
some in a toilet.

Depends what kind you have in tasteslikechikin-land. I envisaged the
type which are hung on wall or the long cattle-trough types.
(Bubbleghost is male, and this post is gender-specific.)

In the UK, male stand-up urinals tend to be of three types - one
person wall mounted units (which may be used in multiples for public
use), and troughs with a "splash back", which may be at floor level,
or wall mounted at working height. There is also a rather old
fashioned type, based on the floor level trough design, but made up of
individual units (fixed side by side).

The common factor (for public facilities) is an intermittent automatic
flushing mechanism - a header tank graduals fills with water, and when
this reaches a certain level it is released to flush the urinal.

But it is true that some residual liquid often remains. - Suggestion
would be to take something like cooking oil (which is also the right
colour) and use this to displace the residual aqueous liquid before
adding your potassium. - This then would hopefully not ignite until
the next use, or the next automatic flush, whichever is the sooner.

A more advanced approach would involve coating the potassium with some
substance which is not water soluble, but which does react with some
common component of urine (if a suitable substance exists). - Or of
course to disable the automatic flush.

Though I don't know what all you people have against bees :)

[Bubbleghost]

Post by Terry Jones
The common factor (for public facilities) is an intermittent automatic
flushing mechanism - a header tank graduals fills with water, and when
this reaches a certain level it is released to flush the urinal.

These are being slowly replaced by a PIR-activated delayed flush in
order to save our precious water.

Post by Terry Jones
Though I don't know what all you people have against bees :)

I'm sorry - you've lost me there?

[Terry Jones]

Post by Bubbleghost

Post by Terry Jones
The common factor (for public facilities) is an intermittent automatic
flushing mechanism - a header tank graduals fills with water, and when
this reaches a certain level it is released to flush the urinal.

These are being slowly replaced by a PIR-activated delayed flush in
order to save our precious water.

PIR? - Something infra-red? To detect the presence of a user, rather
than flush at fixed intervals.

The low tech alternative is manual flush (spring loaded, normally
closed).

Post by Bubbleghost

Post by Terry Jones
Though I don't know what all you people have against bees :)

I'm sorry - you've lost me there?

The Latin for bee is (ROT13) Ncvf

Some of the old Victorian urinals had an underglaze image of a bee as
a sort of "target" (and a visual pun).

Terry

[Bubbleghost]

Post by Terry Jones

Post by Bubbleghost
These are being slowly replaced by a PIR-activated delayed flush in
order to save our precious water.

PIR? - Something infra-red? To detect the presence of a user, rather
than flush at fixed intervals.

Yes, correct. Passive Infra Red devices, such as security lights. I
wired one into my kitchen circuit because I'm so bad at turning lights
off. If there's no infra-red change for 6 minutes it turns off
automatically.

If I set it for the minimum detect, I can walk out and it turns the
lights back on when the kettle boils.

Post by Terry Jones
Some of the old Victorian urinals had an underglaze image of a bee as
a sort of "target" (and a visual pun).

I've seen a bee one somewhere, in blue line drawing? Can't remember
where though.

[Terry Jones]

Post by Bubbleghost
Yes, correct. Passive Infra Red devices, such as security lights. I
wired one into my kitchen circuit because I'm so bad at turning lights
off. If there's no infra-red change for 6 minutes it turns off
automatically.
If I set it for the minimum detect, I can walk out and it turns the
lights back on when the kettle boils.

I could do with home automation in some areas, but I'm not really up
to DIY either in design or construction - Trouble is the commercial
stuff seems quite expensive (and doesn't necessarily do some of the
things I most need).

Anybody know if there's anything affordable - maybe kit / modular form
or something?

Post by Bubbleghost

Post by Terry Jones
Some of the old Victorian urinals had an underglaze image of a bee as
a sort of "target" (and a visual pun).

I've seen a bee one somewhere, in blue line drawing? Can't remember
where though.

Yes, that's it - Usually in blue or black FWIR.

Terry

[Bubbleghost]

Post by Terry Jones
I could do with home automation in some areas, but I'm not really up
to DIY either in design or construction - Trouble is the commercial
stuff seems quite expensive (and doesn't necessarily do some of the
things I most need).

What did you have in mind?

Post by Terry Jones
Anybody know if there's anything affordable - maybe kit / modular form
or something?

The domestic PIR wall switches are stupidly expensive, but there are
many security lights with inbuilt PIRs available in all DIY stores,
would be fine for a kitchen. Cost = about £8 to £10.

They normally have halogen tube lights, which are too bright for indoors
(300W) but you can buy a low powered bulb (80W?) and ask them to fit it
for you. It's actually not difficult to do (one screw and change the
tube), but touching the tube inside with greasy fingers shortens the
tube life greatly.

I screwed mine to a block of wood (so it's mobile), wired it up to a 13A
plug and put it on top of a kitchen unit so it points into the centre of
the room. I have three rooms automated like this - but not the bedroom
as it would come on every time I turned in my sleep :(

Washing machine is also on a timer plug so it starts its cycle (on low
cost electricity) at 5:30 am. Load it the night before, and the washing
is washed and spun, ready to hang on the line when I get up.

[Rowe Rickenbacker]

Post by Bubbleghost

Post by Terry Jones
Anybody know if there's anything affordable - maybe kit / modular
form or something?

The domestic PIR wall switches are stupidly expensive, but there are
many security lights with inbuilt PIRs available in all DIY stores,
would be fine for a kitchen. Cost = about £8 to £10.

<snip>

Post by Bubbleghost
wired it up to a 13A plug and put it on top of a kitchen unit so it
points into the centre of the room. I have three rooms automated like
this - but not the bedroom as it would come on every time I turned in
my sleep :(

Could you direct a sensor so that it went on if you sit up in or get out
of bed?

Post by Bubbleghost
Washing machine is also on a timer plug so it starts its cycle (on
low cost electricity) at 5:30 am. Load it the night before, and the
washing is washed and spun, ready to hang on the line when I get up.

Wow - that's really good. And it's freshly done when you get up too - no
sitting around getting stale and mildewy (I always have that problem
when I set washing going then forget I did it!)... are there any other
devices such as this that you've set up?

IIRC you can set most modern computers to turn on and off at specific
times *in the BIOS* so no special software needs to be installed, but
you could (for example) set the computer to turn on half an hour before
you get up, download your email and usenet posts, virus check and
defragment the entire hard drive - saves electricity and saves time! :)

Rowe

[Bubbleghost]

Post by Rowe Rickenbacker
Could you direct a sensor so that it went on if you sit up in or get out
of bed?

Yes. Most of them have adjustable sensitivity over long/short range and
auto day/night control. You could wire a PIR (currently £5 in B&Q DIY
stores) up to a bedside/room lamp and point it so your bed is not in the
detectable zone, but sitting up is. It might need some fine adjustment
to get it right.

Post by Rowe Rickenbacker

Post by Bubbleghost
Washing machine is also on a timer plug so it starts its cycle (on
low cost electricity) at 5:30 am. Load it the night before, and the
washing is washed and spun, ready to hang on the line when I get up.

Wow - that's really good. And it's freshly done when you get up too - no
sitting around getting stale and mildewy (I always have that problem
when I set washing going then forget I did it!)... are there any other
devices such as this that you've set up?

I have a wall of electronically controlled blue Christmas tree lights
(like a hanging mesh) in the bedroom so waves of light ripple along the
wall at pre-programmed speeds/patterns. After finding it still going in
the morning several times, I now have it on a plug-in timer so it turns
off after an hour.

Otherwise there's nothing else which is automatic here. I'd like one of
those things which massages your shoulders, brings you tea in the
morning, etc but it doesn't look like I'm going to get one :(

Post by Rowe Rickenbacker
IIRC you can set most modern computers to turn on and off at specific
times *in the BIOS* so no special software needs to be installed, but
you could (for example) set the computer to turn on half an hour before
you get up, download your email and usenet posts, virus check and
defragment the entire hard drive - saves electricity and saves time! :)

One of my machines has a simple alarm program on it, which I use to make
sure that a) I spend enough time working and b) don't get up to make a
coffee every 10 minutes.

My other machine doesn't defrag the drives in half an hour :( It gets to
10% then says "Contents of drive C have changed: restarting." so I leave
it on overnight to defrag. Even then, sometimes I find it's gone on
standby or the monitor's gone into energy-saving mode and frozen the
defrag.

[Rowe Rickenbacker]

I'd like one of those things which massages your shoulders, brings
you tea in the morning, etc but it doesn't look like I'm going to get
one :(

At the risk of sounding like a sexist pig... do you mean a wife?

:-P

My other machine doesn't defrag the drives in half an hour :( It gets
to 10% then says "Contents of drive C have changed: restarting." so I
leave it on overnight to defrag. Even then, sometimes I find it's
gone on standby or the monitor's gone into energy-saving mode and
frozen the defrag.

Ja, but if you did it every morning, then it would take less time...
not cumulatively, of course, but each individual time would be shorter.

Rowe

[Sojourner]

Post by Bubbleghost
My other machine doesn't defrag the drives in half an hour :( It gets
to 10% then says "Contents of drive C have changed: restarting." so I
leave it on overnight to defrag. Even then, sometimes I find it's
gone on standby or the monitor's gone into energy-saving mode and
frozen the defrag.

Before you defrag, hit control-alt-delete and shut down any programs
that might be running in the background. That is why its doin that.

Sojo

[Chakolate]

Post by Rowe Rickenbacker

I'd like one of those things which massages your shoulders, brings
you tea in the morning, etc but it doesn't look like I'm going to get
one :(

At the risk of sounding like a sexist pig... do you mean a wife?
:-P

My other machine doesn't defrag the drives in half an hour :( It gets
to 10% then says "Contents of drive C have changed: restarting." so I
leave it on overnight to defrag. Even then, sometimes I find it's
gone on standby or the monitor's gone into energy-saving mode and
frozen the defrag.

Ja, but if you did it every morning, then it would take less time...
not cumulatively, of course, but each individual time would be shorter.

I used to do it every night, but I'm told that it's too much unnecessary
work for your drive. Better to do it once a week.

There's a nice little freeware program that will stop all unnecessary
programs, scan and defrag, then restart your computer called scandefrag.
It's at

http://www.blueorbsoft.com/scandefrag/




Chakolate

[Terry Jones]

Post by Bubbleghost

Post by Terry Jones
I could do with home automation in some areas, but I'm not really up
to DIY either in design or construction - Trouble is the commercial
stuff seems quite expensive (and doesn't necessarily do some of the
things I most need).

What did you have in mind?

Basically for things that I forget to do - like seeing whether the
plants need watering, or whether the windows are closed before I go
out. Maybe a bar-code reader in the kitchen - scanning stuff as I use
it (for shopping lists), and maybe scanning in (use by date
reminders).

One of those robot vacuum cleaners would be nice too, but besides
being ludicrously expensive, I wouldn't be able to keep the floor
clear enough for it to be much use.

Post by Bubbleghost
Washing machine is also on a timer plug so it starts its cycle (on low
cost electricity) at 5:30 am. Load it the night before, and the washing
is washed and spun, ready to hang on the line when I get up.

I think my new washer has a delayed start option (not that I'm on dual
rate). Though living in a flat I try not to use it during the night
(spin cycle can be quite noisy).

Terry

[Bubbleghost]

Post by Terry Jones
Basically for things that I forget to do - like seeing whether the
plants need watering,

Grow them hydroponically - you can get systems which flood the growth
medium regularly. Popular for growing plants in attics/cellars <grin>

Post by Terry Jones
or whether the windows are closed before I go
out.

A wiring nightmare! But my car warns me if I leave the lights on (a much
appreciated feature).

Post by Terry Jones
Maybe a bar-code reader in the kitchen - scanning stuff as I use
it (for shopping lists), and maybe scanning in (use by date
reminders).

Actually, you *can* get bar-code readers for PCs. But my day-to-day
shopping changes so little I could probably use the same list each week.
Use-by date reminders would be a good idea, to avoid having to chuck
food, but I don't know whether bar codes contain that info, or whether
different stores use different systems.

I've fitted my impulse bought ex-display kitchen now (took me 9 months,
is that a record?), but I could have a built in laptop/ BC reader ? I
still need a decent PDA, preferably one chained to me somehow.

And I'm still waiting for someone to produce a microwave with a TFT/LED
screen on it - I'm sure there'd be a market if only to have a telly in
the kitchen. After all, I predicted MP3, DVD, wind-up radios and
widescreen laptops ages ago but didn't patent the ideas :(

Post by Terry Jones
One of those robot vacuum cleaners would be nice too, but besides
being ludicrously expensive, I wouldn't be able to keep the floor
clear enough for it to be much use.

Like that robot in the TV advert which ends up in bed with the vacuum
cleaner? :) I agree an automatic vacuum cleaner would be a good idea,
but as you say, it would have its problems. Some auto-vacs are quite
sophisticated and build up a map of the area, so it might burrow under
the clothes lying on the floor.

I saw an electric coin sorter the other day - I empty loose change from
my pockets every night, but have to spend ages sorting it out to take it
to the bank, so it would be useful, but at £36 I didn't think it was
worth it. My solar powered battery charger is good value.

Post by Terry Jones

Post by Bubbleghost
Washing machine is also on a timer plug so it starts its cycle (on low
cost electricity) at 5:30 am. Load it the night before, and the washing
is washed and spun, ready to hang on the line when I get up.

I think my new washer has a delayed start option (not that I'm on dual
rate). Though living in a flat I try not to use it during the night
(spin cycle can be quite noisy).

The previous owner took all the storage heaters with him (GRRRRR!! - or
should that be BRRRRRR!!) and I was paying a sky high heating bill on
normal tariff with halogen heaters etc. strewn all over the place.

As a result, there are lots of unused storage heater outlets here which
are live from 00:30 to 07:30 GMT so I wired a trailing socket in to one
to have night heating without a big electricity bill. I can legally run
at 2p per kWh rather than 7p in the night (actually less, because he
mucked up the final meter reading) and the washing machine and tumble
drier are excellent high consumption candidates.


I think the world is waking up outside now, so it's time to sign off.
I'll look into the bar code readers (not physically, or I'll blind
myself) to find out what info is stored on them. I suspect a constant
update of the database might be needed.

[Terry Jones]

Post by Bubbleghost

Post by Terry Jones
Basically for things that I forget to do - like seeing whether the
plants need watering,

Grow them hydroponically - you can get systems which flood the growth
medium regularly. Popular for growing plants in attics/cellars <grin>

Post by Terry Jones
or whether the windows are closed before I go
out.

A wiring nightmare! But my car warns me if I leave the lights on (a much
appreciated feature).

I was wondering about something like Bluetooth (or is that pricey)?
Independent battery powered sensors, polled every so often from a
computer. Though for the windows I'd also need some sort of indicator
(LED?) by the front door.

Post by Bubbleghost
Actually, you *can* get bar-code readers for PCs. But my day-to-day
shopping changes so little I could probably use the same list each week.
Use-by date reminders would be a good idea, to avoid having to chuck
food, but I don't know whether bar codes contain that info, or whether
different stores use different systems.

Yes, I'd also need something like a numeric keypad to enter the dates
(which are normally printed on the item).

Post by Bubbleghost
And I'm still waiting for someone to produce a microwave with a TFT/LED
screen on it - I'm sure there'd be a market if only to have a telly in
the kitchen. After all, I predicted MP3, DVD, wind-up radios and
widescreen laptops ages ago but didn't patent the ideas :(

There was an internet capable fridge with a flat screen display, so
someone may well have a similar idea for microwave ovens. Need to be
very heavily screened though.

Post by Bubbleghost
I saw an electric coin sorter the other day - I empty loose change from
my pockets every night, but have to spend ages sorting it out to take it
to the bank, so it would be useful, but at £36 I didn't think it was
worth it. My solar powered battery charger is good value.

At a banking museum there's an old-fashioned manual one. Just a series
of (stacking) trays, with appropriate sized holes cut in them. Put the
coins on the top tray, and shake until they've each reached a tray
where the holes are too small for them to go any further.

Post by Bubbleghost
I'll look into the bar code readers (not physically, or I'll blind
myself) to find out what info is stored on them. I suspect a constant
update of the database might be needed.

Well, like you I tend to buy a limited range of stuff - So once
initialised, the odd new item could be added by hand. Also could print
out the shopping list in store layout sequence (though they tend to
change that every so often - Grrr...)

Terry

[Rowe Rickenbacker]

Post by Bubbleghost

Maybe a bar-code reader in the kitchen - scanning stuff as I use it
(for shopping lists), and maybe scanning in (use by date
reminders).

Actually, you *can* get bar-code readers for PCs. But my day-to-day
shopping changes so little I could probably use the same list each
week. Use-by date reminders would be a good idea, to avoid having to
chuck food, but I don't know whether bar codes contain that info, or
whether different stores use different systems.
I've fitted my impulse bought ex-display kitchen now (took me 9
months, is that a record?), but I could have a built in laptop/ BC
reader ? I still need a decent PDA, preferably one chained to me
somehow.

You can buy them yourself, and I believe their something like PS/2 or
Serial devices. In fact, they may even be USB. I've seen them listed in
many computer magazines that also target business users instead of
concentrating on domestic users (as most do)

Post by Bubbleghost

One of those robot vacuum cleaners would be nice too, but besides
being ludicrously expensive, I wouldn't be able to keep the floor
clear enough for it to be much use.

Like that robot in the TV advert which ends up in bed with the vacuum
cleaner? :)

It was an autralian beer but I can't for the life of me remember
which... I think it was with the Microwave too - don't want them
getting too intelligent, eh?

Post by Bubbleghost
I agree an automatic vacuum cleaner would be a good idea, but as you
say, it would have its problems. Some auto-vacs are quite
sophisticated and build up a map of the area, so it might burrow
under the clothes lying on the floor.

They are very good. They cost literally a couple of thousand each last
time I checked, but they are very sensitive to things being on the
floor. They even have sensors to stop them falling off the top of stairs!

But... the idea is that they don't just build a map and follow it
regardless - I believe they work in an outward spiral from the point
they were switched on, making a map as they go, so that they know which
points they haven't yet covered. They still use many sensors to detect
whether they're running over something or bumping into something etc.

Post by Bubbleghost

Post by Bubbleghost
Washing machine is also on a timer plug so it starts its cycle
(on low cost electricity) at 5:30 am. Load it the night before,
and the washing is washed and spun, ready to hang on the line
when I get up.

I think my new washer has a delayed start option (not that I'm on
dual rate). Though living in a flat I try not to use it during the
night (spin cycle can be quite noisy).

As a result, there are lots of unused storage heater outlets here

What are they??

Post by Bubbleghost
which are live from 00:30 to 07:30 GMT so I wired a trailing socket
in to one to have night heating without a big electricity bill. I can
legally run at 2p per kWh rather than 7p in the night

How does that work?

Post by Bubbleghost
I'll look into the bar code readers (not physically, or I'll blind
myself) to find out what info is stored on them. I suspect a constant
update of the database might be needed.

It's fun! They have mirrors inside that shake really quickly up and
down, so it makes the laser flicker. It looks really good :)

Normal (cheap) barcode readers themselves don't store much, although I
know you can get ones that are in supermarkets for stock control
purposes that keep a copy of the entire stock database on them so you
can go round scanning stuff and it'll tell you what it is and some other
information about it... I suspect they're a lot more expensive, though.

Rowe

[Terry Jones]

Post by Rowe Rickenbacker

Post by Bubbleghost
As a result, there are lots of unused storage heater outlets here

What are they??

Post by Bubbleghost
which are live from 00:30 to 07:30 GMT so I wired a trailing socket
in to one to have night heating without a big electricity bill. I can
legally run at 2p per kWh rather than 7p in the night

How does that work?

Storage heaters are basically metal boxes filled with firebricks, and
have a heating element running through them. At night they use cheap
off-peak electricity to heat up the bricks, and this is supposed to be
enough to keep the house warm through the day. (Hence storage heater).

Terry

[Rowe Rickenbacker]

Post by Terry Jones

Post by Rowe Rickenbacker

Post by Bubbleghost
As a result, there are lots of unused storage heater outlets here

What are they??

Storage heaters are basically metal boxes filled with firebricks, and
have a heating element running through them. At night they use cheap
off-peak electricity to heat up the bricks, and this is supposed to
be enough to keep the house warm through the day. (Hence storage
heater).

Ah! Like a cross between a coolbox and dinorwig?

Rowe

[Bubbleghost]

Post by Rowe Rickenbacker

Post by Terry Jones

Post by Rowe Rickenbacker

Post by Bubbleghost
As a result, there are lots of unused storage heater outlets here

What are they??

Storage heaters are basically metal boxes filled with firebricks, and
have a heating element running through them. At night they use cheap
off-peak electricity to heat up the bricks, and this is supposed to
be enough to keep the house warm through the day. (Hence storage
heater).

Ah! Like a cross between a coolbox and dinorwig?

What are they??

The storage heater outlets are wall plates the same size as a normal
socket plate, with a hole where the flex to the storage heater would
enter (if there were any storage heaters). They're on a different
circuit to the normal ring main, so electricity is only available at off
peak hours.

Now, what's a dinorwig?

[Terry Jones]

Post by Rowe Rickenbacker

Post by Rowe Rickenbacker

Post by Terry Jones
Storage heaters are basically metal boxes filled with firebricks, and
have a heating element running through them. At night they use cheap
off-peak electricity to heat up the bricks, and this is supposed to
be enough to keep the house warm through the day. (Hence storage
heater).

Ah! Like a cross between a coolbox and dinorwig?

More like a reverse coolbox than a Dinorwic - you don't have much
control over the release of the heat.

Post by Rowe Rickenbacker
What are they??
The storage heater outlets are wall plates the same size as a normal
socket plate, with a hole where the flex to the storage heater would
enter (if there were any storage heaters). They're on a different
circuit to the normal ring main, so electricity is only available at off
peak hours.
Now, what's a dinorwig?

"wic" not "wig" - A pumped storage site - During periods of low
demand, "spare" power is used to pump water up into the reservoir.
During times of peak demand this water can then be used to generate
power.

Terry

[Sojourner]

Terry Jones wrote:
Maybe a bar-code reader in the kitchen - scanning stuff as I use

Post by Terry Jones
it (for shopping lists), and maybe scanning in (use by date
reminders).

A shot in the dark maybe, but wouldn your shopping market have a website
to plan/record your purchases that you make there at the market and help
you plan your next trip?

Sojo

[Rowe Rickenbacker]

Post by Sojourner

Post by Terry Jones
Maybe a bar-code reader in the kitchen - scanning stuff as I use
it (for shopping lists), and maybe scanning in (use by date
reminders).

A shot in the dark maybe, but wouldn your shopping market have a
website to plan/record your purchases that you make there at the
market and help you plan your next trip?

Places like Waitrose and Sainsburys (I know THESE for definite, since
I've worked there, but I think Tesco and Iceland, maybe Asda too) have
home delivery services that allow you to browse the stock online and
make a list of what you want. Sainsburys charged a flat rate fee of £5
for delivery no matter how little or how much you bought - I'm not sure
about Waitrose or any of the others, although I'm sure they're similar.

I don't believe they have services specifically to plan/record your
purchases, but you can use their online ordering system as a catalogue -
especially if they include the barcode numbers, since if you had a
barcode reader then you could somehow combine the two maybe!

Rowe

[sam ende]

Post by Rowe Rickenbacker
Places like Waitrose and Sainsburys (I know THESE for definite, since
I've worked there, but I think Tesco and Iceland, maybe Asda too)

don't know about asda (i've never been in an asda) but tescos and
somerfield do, iceland does as well. iceland and somerfields delivier
for free if its an over 25 pound spend, tescos charge a fiver i think.

sammi

[Terry Jones]

Post by Sojourner

Post by Terry Jones
Maybe a bar-code reader in the kitchen - scanning stuff as I use
it (for shopping lists), and maybe scanning in (use by date
reminders).

A shot in the dark maybe, but wouldn your shopping market have a website
to plan/record your purchases that you make there at the market and help
you plan your next trip?

They have online purchase / home delivery type site IIRC but I don't
think they have the sort of thing you mention.

And although I buy the same *products*, I don't need the same things
every time. Plus, while I might manage to scan a barcode when I finish
a product, I know that I wouldn't be able to keep on online record
updated - ATM I just keep a pad in the kitchen and write down stuff as
I use it.

Terry

[Robin May]

Post by Bubbleghost

Post by Terry Jones
The common factor (for public facilities) is an intermittent
automatic flushing mechanism - a header tank graduals fills with
water, and when this reaches a certain level it is released to
flush the urinal.

These are being slowly replaced by a PIR-activated delayed flush
in order to save our precious water.

Actually, a lot of them are being replaced with urinals that have no
flush at all. I've seen these at Heathrow airport, and all the urinals
at my university are without flushes.

[Bubbleghost]

Post by Robin May
Actually, a lot of them are being replaced with urinals that have no
flush at all. I've seen these at Heathrow airport, and all the urinals
at my university are without flushes.

How do they stay sterile and not go all smelly?

[Robin May]

Post by Bubbleghost

Post by Robin May
Actually, a lot of them are being replaced with urinals that have
no flush at all. I've seen these at Heathrow airport, and all the
urinals at my university are without flushes.

How do they stay sterile and not go all smelly?

I don't know. I suspect that flushing urinals doesn't make a great deal
of difference to their cleanliness and that the vast majority of real,
worthwhile cleaning to all urinals is done by cleaners. Based on this,
I'd guess that they are kept clean by cleaners cleaning them. This
probably saves water, and doesn't seem to make much (or any) difference
to the cleanliness of them.

[Aaron W. West]

Okay okay you people are way off the subject here. LOL... not that it
matters much...

I've just been reading obsessively about aspergers and autism for a while
trying to understand it and its relation to me and my behaviors lately. I
have come to some slightly doubt drinking Kombucha tea will "cure" me.
(haha, but of course not, right?) Then again, maybe my self-diagnosis is
wrong. But what about this test that rated me at 41, highly autistic:
http://www.msnbc.com/modules/newsweek/autism_quotient/default.asp

And what about this page:
http://www.udel.edu/bkirby/asperger/

Just like me in so many ways, caught in my own world throughout school
(bored, was my excuse to myself...), and though I don't think I have a *big*
problem recognizing faces, I can recall times when someone was wearing
something significantly different or had changed their style of clothing and
I had to look for a while to recognize that it was the same person. Hey, I
think I can barely recognize myself when I grow a beard... not that I'm apt
to look at myself except with shaving.

Initially I was embarrassed to say publicly that I believe myself to be an
"aspie", but as I come to understand it better I realize no one should judge
me negatively for it (unless I apply for a job as a secondary school
teacher, or a therapist, or ... well they require training, anyway...) But I
sometimes thought I might make a good teacher, because I would break
knowledge down into little pieces and explain things thoroughly. Yet I think
I'd either find relating to a whole class of students to be overwhelming, or
(more likely) I'd just be stuck in my own world, lecturing, and wonder why
some students don't understand me. Unable to gauge interest, I might fail to
keep it.

Another interesting link? Someone who claims to be a "fully recovered
autist"...

------------------------------------------------
http://www.conniptions.com/

Autism, Asperger Syndrome, Savant Brains and
Pervasive Development Disorders
A new understanding of Autism, Asperger Syndrome and Pervasive Developmental
Disorders from a fully recovered Asperger Autist

------------------------------------------------

Now, here's more of what I was originally going to post in my message (what
the heck...) Upon further thought, I realize I *can* organize, but often
procrastinate about it because I get so overwhelmed by the task and tend to
fail to break it into pieces and keep up with it on a daily basis...which
makes it worse...

--

A little of my story...

Last September, someone told me I have Aspergers. Later, reading online, I
recognized the symptoms as being mine, but remained skeptical. I have a
tendency to want to think nothing's wrong with me; I'm just a little
different and rather socially inept. Actually, I probably am downright
egotistical at times about my abilities...

But, to be general about it, the social and relationship experiences of my
last several years (at age 35 now) have
convinced me that something's wrong with my whole approach.. I never could
seem to make sense of people, reading faces is a foreign concept to me, etc;
the classic symptoms, I suppose, based on my (so-far) self-diagnosis.

I scored 41 on this test:
http://www.msnbc.com/modules/newsweek/autism_quotient/default.asp
...so it says I'm highly autistic.

Anyway, I was looking for a "cure", despite statements that that is
impossible (don't anyone ever tell me something's impossible!... Grr...),
and heavy
metal cleansing is the closest I have come up with so far. Sounds like it
works for some?

I understand this is a "syndrome", a "spectrum disorder", and not a
"disease", per se.... but if it's due to the lack of an ability to digest
heavy metals, then I suppose that is a deficiency of sorts. I wonder if
there is a medical test for that problem. Or a medical test for heavy
metals; that sounds easy... (Guess I should ask a doc...)

I've long had allergy problems, though they haven't been active as much in
recent years since (usually) eliminating milk from my diet (had some goats'
milk recently though), and having minimal wheat products, except for the
duration during which I was living with a dog. Maybe I'll eliminate wheat,
and oats as well (had no idea oats could be a problem. Not sure if I'm
gluten-intolerant or not..) I believe recent allergy symptoms of mine were
due to yeast, and think that Capsaicin (from www.herbaladvantage.com ) has
helped me overcome that. (Maybe Kombucha tea is helping too, I'm not sure.)

(I think I sound like a hypochondriac at times, and maybe I am... I'm not
*that* sick... just like to resolve my little problems by understanding
things better, though I know I'm obsessive about it all sometimes.)

I wonder if bentonite clay would help, and is safe to take internally...
even if with aluminum. I read it is...

About my work, etc:

I consider myself "high-functioning", other than that I have some problems
organizing my work. Organization, in-general, is a struggle for me (at some
levels; planning, goal-setting, etc...) ... but on the other hand I think I
often organize things well in my mind. For example, math, writing computer
programs, and converting an outline to a computer program are fairly easy,
but either things are obvious and I can do them right away, or the initial
creative effort required to determine all the needs and requirements for a
project seems to elude me. I work best when given specific projects to
complete, with specific requirements, and left on my own until I complete
them. That is, when I don't get distracted, which happens a lot... Small
projects are easy, but large ones require organization skills which elude
me.

I'm very good at critical thinking, and can find errors in my code or
others' code, but sometimes I can't see the forest for the trees, and am
overwhelmed by either too much information, too many variables, too much to
learn all at once, etc, and this causes things to take longer than I'm
comfortable with. I wanted to become a rapid reader to offset this tendency
I have for information overload, but felt unable to concentrate properly to
learn the skills, or just didn't have the patience for the practice.

Hated school. Hated homework. Despised history. Hated social science classes
in general. Had no interest in group sports, but liked tennis.

Liked math and usually liked science and became literally
obsessed with computers as an escape from all I hated and failed to
understand about the world.

I guess this points out more clearly how I need to make lists, plan more
carefully, etc. I liked to think that since I can organize small things
well in my head, I could organize large ones in my head too, but it simply
isn't true. No amount of computer skills can completely make up for a total
lack of organizational ones... (though computers help in many ways, as I'm
sure many with asperger's will concede...)

Is organizational ineptness an Aspergers trait? Macroscopically, I think it
is?

My approach to software is often to "hack"; to make small changes and slowly
evolve a new product. The technique works, but is sometimes slower than
people may have the patience for. The end product is generally well-written
and well-optimized.

I may never have the incredible creative ability for game design, for
example....though someday it might be an interesting challenge to try.

I often think I'd work better as a researcher than an
engineer/technician/designer, because I am obsessed at finding answers to
obscure problems.

Anyway, I guess it's time I stopped obsessing over all this... (or so I said
several days ago...but haven't yet)

[Robin May]

Post by Aaron W. West
Okay okay you people are way off the subject here. LOL... not that
it matters much...

<snip rest of post>

I think you would have better luck starting a new thread with this.

[Aaron W. West]

I know but...maybe I half-wanted my whole story to get lost in the thread. I
can't figure out exactly what I'm asking, anyway, right now. I'm just trying
to better understand the whole subject of aspergers and how it affects brain
function, and whether there is anything I should do about it, again
presuming my self-diagnosis is correct (well, it fits..I don't doubt that I
have some level of dysfunction, though I don't think it should be seen as a
bad thing, merely that my approach to the world is and always will be
different than NTs...)... Maybe a Euon or other infra-red device to
stimulate brain areas (amygdala?? It's mostly used to stimulate the
"vermis".

See: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/magnetikon/ for more on the Euon.

BTW, NT isn't defined often enough. It was only after reading a few dozen
pages on the subject that I hit the word Neurotypical.

I suppose if there's one main question lingering in my mind, it's whether I
should see someone to understand this better. It seems like something I can
best educate myself about... still, maybe some guidance would help, since I
find myself a little "stuck" in some areas of life, hesitant to make
decisions...

Post by Aaron W. West
Okay okay you people are way off the subject here. LOL... not that
it matters much...

<snip rest of post>

I think you would have better luck starting a new thread with this.

[Bubbleghost]

Post by Robin May

Post by Aaron W. West
Okay okay you people are way off the subject here. LOL... not that
it matters much...

<snip rest of post>
I think you would have better luck starting a new thread with this.

I'm sorry. It seems I'm always derailing the threads here, aren't I?
Something in my nature or lack of a social life.

I'll try to cut it down, but being practical about it I can't promise
much success.

[Rowe Rickenbacker]

Post by Bubbleghost

Post by Robin May

Post by Aaron W. West
Okay okay you people are way off the subject here. LOL...

I think you would have better luck starting a new thread with this.

I'm sorry. It seems I'm always derailing the threads here, aren't I?
Something in my nature or lack of a social life.

You're not unique there ;-)

Post by Bubbleghost
I'll try to cut it down, but being practical about it I can't promise
much success.

Derailing threads is fine, although I think, as Robin said, it's good to
put them in new threads, or at least rename them, so people can tell the
"main" thread and the seperate "branch" thread apart.

Rowe

[Robin May]

Post by Rowe Rickenbacker
Derailing threads is fine, although I think, as Robin said, it's
good to put them in new threads, or at least rename them, so
people can tell the "main" thread and the seperate "branch" thread
apart.

I didn't say that. The person in question was effectively starting a
completely new thread that seemed to have almost nothing to do with the
rest of the thread. If you're going to make a post like that it will be
more successful if it you start a new thread with it.

[Rowe Rickenbacker]

Post by Robin May

Post by Rowe Rickenbacker
Derailing threads is fine, although I think, as Robin said, it's
good to put them in new threads, or at least rename them, so people
can tell the "main" thread and the seperate "branch" thread apart.

I didn't say that. The person in question was effectively starting a
completely new thread that seemed to have almost nothing to do with
the rest of the thread. If you're going to make a post like that it
will be more successful if it you start a new thread with it.

Ah, I see where I went wrong... well, I did write "put them in new
threads", I just put "or at least rename them" too for good measure ;-)

Rowe

[Robin May]

Post by Bubbleghost

Post by Robin May

Post by Aaron W. West
Okay okay you people are way off the subject here. LOL... not
that it matters much...

<snip rest of post>
I think you would have better luck starting a new thread with
this.

I'm sorry. It seems I'm always derailing the threads here, aren't
I? Something in my nature or lack of a social life.

I wasn't criticising you at all. I was pointing out that a person is
more likely to get replies to their long post about their autism if
they start a new thread with it instead of inserting it in the middle
of an old thread that has drifted.

Post by Bubbleghost
I'll try to cut it down, but being practical about it I can't
promise much success.

Don't worry about it.

[Rowe Rickenbacker]

Post by Dylan Lainhart

But you could always leave a piece [of Magnesium] in a public
urinal to make someone gawp at their pee caching fire :)

In a public urinal? It'd burn the moment you throw it in there.
Try putting some in a toilet.

What about one of those German ones?
I love those. The efficiency is just amazing.

Rowe

[Sojourner]

Post by Dylan Lainhart

Post by Bubbleghost
Potassium, highly toxic?? It's a necessary mineral; the Sodium/Potassium
balance which keeps our nerves working and we'd be dead without it.

Well, the metal itself is pretty nasty, one must admit. Especially when
you swallow a piece and your organs burst into flames.

Isn't that sodium?

Sojo

[Bubbleghost]

Post by Sojourner

Post by Dylan Lainhart

Post by Bubbleghost
Potassium, highly toxic?? It's a necessary mineral; the Sodium/Potassium
balance which keeps our nerves working and we'd be dead without it.

Well, the metal itself is pretty nasty, one must admit. Especially when
you swallow a piece and your organs burst into flames.

Isn't that sodium?
Sojo

Same group of metals, with reactivity increasing down group. All stored
in oil to prevent reaction with air. Reactions with water:

Lithium - fizzes hydrogen gas
Sodium - melts, hovercrafts around on cloud of produced hydrogen
Potassium - melts, ignites hydrogen gas produced

Rubidium, Caesium, Francium - probably never get as far as the water
without bursting in flames in air.


"STOP IT BUBBLEGHOST, YOU'RE ON HOLIDAY!!!"

"OK, just refreshing Sojo's memory."

[diamonddavej]

Post by Aaron W. West
Has anyone tried heavy metal detoxes and want to comment?
http://www.evenbetternow.com/autism.html
Also interesting is that Kombucha, which I've started to drink, might have
some protective effect or cleansing effect against mercury poisoning. It's a
http://w3.trib.com/~kombu/roche.html
...
In the research program, data was collated on environmental conditions and
the everyday habits of the people were closely examined for any possible
clues about their extremely high resistance to cancer. In particular, the
districts of Ssolikamsk and Beresniki - in the Western Ural Mountains - were
studied since there were hardly any recorded cases of cancer. Most
surprising to the researchers was that this area, in particular, was a
rapidly expanding industrial zone where highly toxic metals were
manufactured such as potassium, lead and mercury together with asbestos. All
this industrial pollution rated the area as one of the most toxic throughout
the USSR and this was evidenced by dead fish floating in the Kama river and
many species of trees were withering away with the uptake of so many
industrial pollutants.
...
On questioning the housewife about what they eat and drink, he was
introduced to some stoneware jars as being the source of their 'Tea Kwass'
...
...
in particular, was a rapidly expanding industrial zone where highly toxic
metals were manufactured such as potassium, lead and mercury together with
asbestos

Potassium is an essential nutrient. A good source is bananas. If this
detox removed your potassium, you would die of a heart attack.
Obviously, if they cant tell the difference between a good metal and a
toxic one, they don't know anything.

A good way of reducing the cancer rate in an area is to make sure no
old people live there. Perhaps the average age is 20? If that's the
case, then people are more likely to die in car crash then cancer,
even if it's polluted and they don't have traffic lights.

http://www.city-data.com/toplists.html – Warning this is addictive!

http://www.city-data.com/top6.html – Youngest Cities/towns in the US.

You see, if you look at thousands of towns, statistically there has to
be some with unusually young populations.

Btw, St. Joseph, Minnesota has a 68% female population. I want to live
there!

Diamond Dave

[Robin May]

Post by diamonddavej
http://www.city-data.com/toplists.html

Do you know if there's a site with lists like these for the entire
world and not just the US?

[diamonddavej]

Post by Robin May

Post by diamonddavej
http://www.city-data.com/toplists.html

Do you know if there's a site with lists like these for the entire
world and not just the US?

I don't know, and if there is one I still don't want to know. I'd only
get stuck on the site for hours and hours, I have to finish my Phd.
I'm sure there is, perhaps you could try the UN.org. I did find a site
that has country facts, it was by the CIA, I think.

Diamond Dave

[Sojourner]

On Sat, 2 Jan 1999 09:00:24 +0100

On 19 Jul 2004 11:26:06 -0700
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Post by diamonddavej
Btw, St. Joseph, Minnesota has a 68% female population. I want to live
there!
Diamond Dave

But I thought the Aussie ratio was 2:1 ?
Sojo

[The autist formerly known as]

Well I am listening to Led Zep right now, and maybe I might listen to Freddy
Mercury later :)
--
þT

L'autisme c'est moi

"Space folds, and folded space bends, and bent folded space contracts and
expands unevenly in every way unconcievable except to someone who does not
believe in the laws of mathematics"

Post by Aaron W. West
Has anyone tried heavy metal detoxes and want to comment?
http://www.evenbetternow.com/autism.html
Also interesting is that Kombucha, which I've started to drink, might have
some protective effect or cleansing effect against mercury poisoning. It's a
http://w3.trib.com/~kombu/roche.html
...
In the research program, data was collated on environmental conditions and
the everyday habits of the people were closely examined for any possible
clues about their extremely high resistance to cancer. In particular, the
districts of Ssolikamsk and Beresniki - in the Western Ural Mountains - were
studied since there were hardly any recorded cases of cancer. Most
surprising to the researchers was that this area, in particular, was a
rapidly expanding industrial zone where highly toxic metals were
manufactured such as potassium, lead and mercury together with asbestos. All
this industrial pollution rated the area as one of the most toxic throughout
the USSR and this was evidenced by dead fish floating in the Kama river and
many species of trees were withering away with the uptake of so many
industrial pollutants.
...
On questioning the housewife about what they eat and drink, he was
introduced to some stoneware jars as being the source of their 'Tea Kwass'
...
...

[Hylander]

Post by The autist formerly known as
Well I am listening to Led Zep right now, and maybe I might listen to Freddy
Mercury later :)

Alas and lo, the Prince (or former autist thereof) of Puns hath
spoken/speaketh thus.

Alice Copper anyone?

John

[Hylander]

Post by The autist formerly known as
Well I am listening to Led Zep right now, and maybe I might listen to Freddy
Mercury later :)
Well I am listening to Led Zep right now, and maybe I might listen to Freddy
Mercury later :)

Alas and lo, the Prince (or former autist thereof) of Puns hath
spoken/speaketh thus.

Alice Copper anyone?

John

[Hylander]

Post by Aaron W. West
Has anyone tried heavy metal detoxes and want to comment?
http://www.evenbetternow.com/autism.html
Also interesting is that Kombucha, which I've started to drink, might have
some protective effect or cleansing effect against mercury poisoning. It's a
http://w3.trib.com/~kombu/roche.html
...
In the research program, data was collated on environmental conditions and
the everyday habits of the people were closely examined for any possible
clues about their extremely high resistance to cancer. In particular, the
districts of Ssolikamsk and Beresniki - in the Western Ural Mountains - were
studied since there were hardly any recorded cases of cancer. Most
surprising to the researchers was that this area, in particular, was a
rapidly expanding industrial zone where highly toxic metals were
manufactured such as potassium, lead and mercury together with asbestos. All
this industrial pollution rated the area as one of the most toxic throughout
the USSR and this was evidenced by dead fish floating in the Kama river and
many species of trees were withering away with the uptake of so many
industrial pollutants.
...
On questioning the housewife about what they eat and drink, he was
introduced to some stoneware jars as being the source of their 'Tea Kwass'
...
...

You might ask for a blood test where they can to spectrography on it
and find if there are any heavy metal signatures for things like
lead/arsenic/mercury (I think most common of the poison metals). I sat
in on one once where they atomize the specimen (typically a spun down
blood sample in the body chemistries lab) into a flame (hot enough to
get a color) and use various optical recording devices to detect this
kind of thing.

[b***@gmail.com]

Yes - using zeolite and bentonite. But do NOT try cilantro unless tooth fillings are removed. I can testify that it is extrordiarily bad.

[Jorge]

Post by b***@gmail.com
Yes - using zeolite and bentonite. But do NOT try cilantro unless tooth
fillings are removed. I can testify that it is extrordiarily bad.

Dr. Oz mentioned cilantro on a recent show about Mercury pollution.
and;
http://www.sharecare.com/question/disadvantages-silver-amalgam-tooth-fill
ings#cmpid=ozhp001
and
Dr.Oz.com