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Autism is a modern excuse for low mental ability
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2008-06-25 17:41:23 UTC
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New Era Dianetics (NED) spiritual technology contains L. Ron Hubbard’s
ultimate refinements of Dianetics auditing. He developed it following
discoveries he made in 1978. Using New Era Dianetics technology,
preclears can achieve the goals of Dianetics much, much faster than
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The reactive mind plagues a person with the unthinking, irrational
dictates of its contents and imposes anxieties, fears, unwanted
sensations and feelings, strange pains and a host of other undesirable
effects. Freeing him from the command value such ills exert over his
volition, provides new levels of self-determinism.
A person may have suffered the emotional upheaval of losing a
loved one. New Era Dianetics auditing addresses these losses and,
while it won’t replace the affections held for the departed, it can
free one from the spiritual trauma of the loss.

BE CLEAR

The goals of Dianetics predate all current ideas of "therapy" and are
first found in religion and philosophy as long as 10,000 years ago. A
Scientologist is trying to make people better and that is a new idea
in the field of the human mind.
Clearing someone is erasing his reactive mind. All the misery man
experiences is contained in the reactive mind.
There is a definite road out from reactivity, from aberration, from
identifying everything with everything else. It leads to increased
abilities, increased general performance and other exceptional gains
that can be precisely measured and experienced. This road out has
certain milestones which must be passed, and these are represented in
the Expanded Grades and New Era Dianetics auditing.
The product of traveling the road that runs past these milestones is
the erasure of reactivity. When this occurs the person achieves the
state of Clear. It is not possible to attain this upper state by
ignoring the lower grades.
A Clear is a person who no longer has his own reactive mind. He has
vanquished it forever. Without the stimulus-response mechanisms of the
reactive mind which can cause a person pain, unwanted sensations and
negative emotions, a Clear can act rather than react. A Clear has a
very high degree of personal integrity and honesty, and is living
proof that man is basically good. His own basic beingness returns and
his own basic personality flourishes. A person loses all the fears,
anxieties and irrational thoughts that were held down by pain in the
reactive mind and, in short, regains himself when he goes Clear. A
person is much, much more himself without a reactive mind.
Until a person is cleared, no matter how able he becomes by virtue of
earlier auditing, it is inevitable, just by the nature of the
universe, that he will sooner or later sink back into the reactive
mind. That is why clearing is vital. Clear is total erasure of the
reactive mind and thus is a stable state, not subject to relapse.
The Autist formerly known as
2008-06-25 17:50:51 UTC
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Thus spake the $atani$t !

In case anyone did not know old mother hubbard was a writer of SF, need I
say more.
--
þT

L'autisme c'est moi

"Space folds, and folded space bends, and bent folded space contracts and
expands unevenly in every way unconcievable except to someone who does not
believe in the laws of mathematics"

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Do you have a relative or loved one infected with autism? Help cure
them with Dianetics


New Era Dianetics (NED) spiritual technology contains L. Ron Hubbard’s
ultimate refinements of Dianetics auditing. He developed it following
discoveries he made in 1978. Using New Era Dianetics technology,
preclears can achieve the goals of Dianetics much, much faster than
any early Dianeticist might have believed possible.
The reactive mind plagues a person with the unthinking, irrational
dictates of its contents and imposes anxieties, fears, unwanted
sensations and feelings, strange pains and a host of other undesirable
effects. Freeing him from the command value such ills exert over his
volition, provides new levels of self-determinism.
A person may have suffered the emotional upheaval of losing a
loved one. New Era Dianetics auditing addresses these losses and,
while it won’t replace the affections held for the departed, it can
free one from the spiritual trauma of the loss.

BE CLEAR

The goals of Dianetics predate all current ideas of "therapy" and are
first found in religion and philosophy as long as 10,000 years ago. A
Scientologist is trying to make people better and that is a new idea
in the field of the human mind.
Clearing someone is erasing his reactive mind. All the misery man
experiences is contained in the reactive mind.
There is a definite road out from reactivity, from aberration, from
identifying everything with everything else. It leads to increased
abilities, increased general performance and other exceptional gains
that can be precisely measured and experienced. This road out has
certain milestones which must be passed, and these are represented in
the Expanded Grades and New Era Dianetics auditing.
The product of traveling the road that runs past these milestones is
the erasure of reactivity. When this occurs the person achieves the
state of Clear. It is not possible to attain this upper state by
ignoring the lower grades.
A Clear is a person who no longer has his own reactive mind. He has
vanquished it forever. Without the stimulus-response mechanisms of the
reactive mind which can cause a person pain, unwanted sensations and
negative emotions, a Clear can act rather than react. A Clear has a
very high degree of personal integrity and honesty, and is living
proof that man is basically good. His own basic beingness returns and
his own basic personality flourishes. A person loses all the fears,
anxieties and irrational thoughts that were held down by pain in the
reactive mind and, in short, regains himself when he goes Clear. A
person is much, much more himself without a reactive mind.
Until a person is cleared, no matter how able he becomes by virtue of
earlier auditing, it is inevitable, just by the nature of the
universe, that he will sooner or later sink back into the reactive
mind. That is why clearing is vital. Clear is total erasure of the
reactive mind and thus is a stable state, not subject to relapse.
Stephen Wilson
2008-06-25 21:26:34 UTC
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Post by The Autist formerly known as
Thus spake the $atani$t !
In case anyone did not know old mother hubbard was a writer of SF, need I
say more.
Fair enough. But what makes Scientology any more outrageous than any other?
It's as reasonable (and equally as fictitious) as, say, Christianity...
The Autist formerly known as
2008-06-25 21:27:27 UTC
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Or atheism perhaps, truly irrational and absurd.
--
þT

L'autisme c'est moi

"Space folds, and folded space bends, and bent folded space contracts and
expands unevenly in every way unconcievable except to someone who does not
believe in the laws of mathematics"
Post by Stephen Wilson
Fair enough. But what makes Scientology any more outrageous than any
other? It's as reasonable (and equally as fictitious) as, say,
Christianity...
Stephen Wilson
2008-06-25 22:31:57 UTC
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Post by The Autist formerly known as
Or atheism perhaps, truly irrational and absurd.
Well any belief seems irrational and absurd to those whose beliefs are of a
differing nature.

Atheism is absurd to the Christian. Christianity is absurd to the Buddhist.
Islam is absurd to the Hindu. Judaism is absurd to the pagan. Etc, etc, etc.
Terry Jones
2008-06-25 22:40:08 UTC
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On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 22:27:27 +0100, "The Autist formerly known as"
Post by The Autist formerly known as
Post by Stephen Wilson
Fair enough. But what makes Scientology any more outrageous than any
other? It's as reasonable (and equally as fictitious) as, say,
Christianity...
Or atheism perhaps, truly irrational and absurd.
Depends on your definition of atheism though - In the sense that as
the existence of gods is unprovable, then their non-existence is not
provable either, OK - But what proportion of those who call themselves
atheists, or those who are called atheists by others, hold such
absolute beliefs?

One could say that atheism in a broad "church" :)
--
Terry
Stephen Wilson
2008-06-25 22:56:06 UTC
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Post by Terry Jones
On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 22:27:27 +0100, "The Autist formerly known as"
Post by The Autist formerly known as
Post by Stephen Wilson
Fair enough. But what makes Scientology any more outrageous than any
other? It's as reasonable (and equally as fictitious) as, say,
Christianity...
Or atheism perhaps, truly irrational and absurd.
Depends on your definition of atheism though - In the sense that as
the existence of gods is unprovable, then their non-existence is not
provable either, OK - But what proportion of those who call themselves
atheists, or those who are called atheists by others, hold such
absolute beliefs?
One could say that atheism in a broad "church" :)
Atheism is a belief that there is no God. Richard Dawkins appears to be
someone who holds absolute beliefs. He's an intelligent man, but doesn't
seem to be able to see that he's so rigid and appears to be as close-minded
as the religious people he seems to campaign against.

I'm not a believer in God. But I'm not a complete non-believer. I'd like to
think I was open enough to be able to revise my opinions given new
experiences, etc. So I wouldn't say I'm an atheist. But maybe agnostic
tending towards atheist.
Gareeth
2008-06-25 22:59:35 UTC
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Post by Stephen Wilson
Atheism is a belief that there is no God. Richard Dawkins appears to
be someone who holds absolute beliefs. He's an intelligent man, but
doesn't seem to be able to see that he's so rigid and appears to be
as close-minded as the religious people he seems to campaign against.
I read his book and if I were an athiest I would be annoyed. He comes across
to me mainly ridiculing the belief in G-d or making arguments that are
largely about his authority to say that people who believe are wrong without
making any compelling case for why he should be that authority.

I do not consider myself closed minded but my belief in G-d is absolute. I
have more doubts about just everything else. I respect other people's rights
to have other beliefs something less and less athiests seem to do. They seem
to be getting more and more evangelical.

Gareeth
The Autist formerly known as
2008-06-25 23:14:34 UTC
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Indeed Dawkins seems to have the same irrational disease he rails against :)

That kind of intolerance is as bad as the Spanish Inquisition (you know they
had to come in somewhere)
--
þT

L'autisme c'est moi

"Space folds, and folded space bends, and bent folded space contracts and
expands unevenly in every way unconcievable except to someone who does not
believe in the laws of mathematics"
Post by Stephen Wilson
Post by Terry Jones
On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 22:27:27 +0100, "The Autist formerly known as"
Atheism is a belief that there is no God. Richard Dawkins appears to be
someone who holds absolute beliefs. He's an intelligent man, but doesn't
seem to be able to see that he's so rigid and appears to be as
close-minded as the religious people he seems to campaign against.
I'm not a believer in God. But I'm not a complete non-believer. I'd like
to think I was open enough to be able to revise my opinions given new
experiences, etc. So I wouldn't say I'm an atheist. But maybe agnostic
tending towards atheist.
Terry Jones
2008-06-25 23:38:17 UTC
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On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 00:14:34 +0100, "The Autist formerly known as"
Post by The Autist formerly known as
Indeed Dawkins seems to have the same irrational disease he rails against :)
That kind of intolerance is as bad as the Spanish Inquisition (you know they
had to come in somewhere)
Did you have to rack your brains to squeeze that reference in :)
Bob Badour
2008-06-26 00:14:21 UTC
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Post by Terry Jones
On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 00:14:34 +0100, "The Autist formerly known as"
Post by The Autist formerly known as
Indeed Dawkins seems to have the same irrational disease he rails against :)
That kind of intolerance is as bad as the Spanish Inquisition (you know they
had to come in somewhere)
Did you have to rack your brains to squeeze that reference in :)
Wouldn't racking his brains pull the reference out?
Terry Jones
2008-06-26 07:15:22 UTC
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On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 21:14:21 -0300, Bob Badour
Post by Bob Badour
Post by Terry Jones
Post by The Autist formerly known as
That kind of intolerance is as bad as the Spanish Inquisition (you know they
had to come in somewhere)
Did you have to rack your brains to squeeze that reference in :)
Wouldn't racking his brains pull the reference out?
More a case of stretching the point I think :)
unknown
2008-06-26 00:00:32 UTC
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Post by The Autist formerly known as
Indeed Dawkins seems to have the same irrational disease he rails against :)
That kind of intolerance is as bad as the Spanish Inquisition (you know they
had to come in somewhere)
Well, I wasn't expecting it :)
--

There are 10 types of people in the world - those who understand binary and those who don't!
Bob Badour
2008-06-26 00:13:19 UTC
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Post by The Autist formerly known as
Indeed Dawkins seems to have the same irrational disease he rails against :)
That kind of intolerance is as bad as the Spanish Inquisition (you know they
had to come in somewhere)
Nobody expected that!
PromaBoss
2008-06-26 21:54:47 UTC
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i was a scientologist for 3 yrs but neverr did understsnfd it

i have nothing against them but its not the answer to all the problems in
the world as some make out

in fact i think most of the scientoligist i met were adhd or aspie but would
never admit it

and as steve says just the same as any religion or indeed social gropus

we were told in scientology though the church is used in its broadest sense
as a collection of people with same beliefs

you can happily be a scienologis and be protestant/catholic/muslim jewish or
anything else you so desire


afaik travolta has saifd he is still a catholic

thouhh i do take excpetion at the originatore email nothing like that was
spoke about whgen i was in scienology
Post by Stephen Wilson
Post by The Autist formerly known as
Thus spake the $atani$t !
In case anyone did not know old mother hubbard was a writer of SF, need I
say more.
Fair enough. But what makes Scientology any more outrageous than any
other? It's as reasonable (and equally as fictitious) as, say,
Christianity...
Baba Yaga
2008-06-29 11:34:58 UTC
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Post by Stephen Wilson
Post by The Autist formerly known as
Thus spake the $atani$t !
In case anyone did not know old mother hubbard was a writer of SF, need I
say more.
Fair enough. But what makes Scientology any more outrageous than any other?
It's as reasonable (and equally as fictitious) as, say, Christianity...
What makes Scientology particularly outrageous is its methodology.

Baba Yaga
--
If it's my lot to spend my life swimming upstream in treacle then
goddamn it I'll be the best treacle swimmer there is, and learn to
find things about it to enjoy!
- The Autiste formerly known as Genyin
Jeremy Reece
2008-06-25 18:06:16 UTC
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Post by d***@googlemail.com
Do you have a relative or loved one infected with autism? Help cure
them with Dianetics
Hooray! Scientologists! Whoopie!!!!

You guys think we came from outer space and were exploded out of
volcanoes 75m years ago with a bit of help from a load of H-Bombs and
you think *we're* infected with something?!

:)
--
Jeremy

In GA and happy at last :)
Arak
2008-06-25 18:46:41 UTC
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On Jun 25, 12:06 pm, Jeremy Reece
Post by Jeremy Reece
Post by d***@googlemail.com
Do you have a relative or loved one infected with autism? Help cure
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Hooray! Scientologists! Whoopie!!!!
That was my reaction too! *lol*

Arak /|\
(Currently studying to be the anaethema of scientologists everywhere -
yes, I'm studying to be a psychologist *evil laugh*)
karlisa
2008-06-27 23:36:03 UTC
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On Jun 25, 1:06 pm, Jeremy Reece
Post by Jeremy Reece
Post by d***@googlemail.com
Do you have a relative or loved one infected with autism? Help cure
them with Dianetics
Hooray! Scientologists! Whoopie!!!!
You guys think we came from outer space and were exploded out of
volcanoes 75m years ago with a bit of help from a load of H-Bombs and
you think *we're* infected with something?!
:)
--
Jeremy
In GA and happy at last :)
LOL!
Bob Badour
2008-06-25 18:25:15 UTC
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Post by d***@googlemail.com
Do you have a relative or loved one infected with autism? Help cure
them with Dianetics
Actually, low mental ability is an excuse for scientology. Just look at
Cruise! Need I say more?
d***@googlemail.com
2008-06-25 18:41:51 UTC
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Post by Bob Badour
Post by d***@googlemail.com
Do you have a relative or loved one infected with autism? Help cure
them with Dianetics
Actually, low mental ability is an excuse for scientology. Just look at
Cruise! Need I say more?
You are misinformed. Visit our website for the FACTS.
Baba Yaga
2008-06-25 18:56:11 UTC
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Post by d***@googlemail.com
Post by Bob Badour
Post by d***@googlemail.com
Do you have a relative or loved one infected with autism? Help cure
them with Dianetics
Actually, low mental ability is an excuse for scientology. Just look at
Cruise! Need I say more?
You are misinformed. Visit our website for the FACTS.
<<snortcoughchoke>>

What Scientologist would recognise a fact if it bit him??

Baba Yaga
--
A good patient is one who is compliant, who does what he or she is
told, who doesn't make trouble, but who also doesn't ever really get
better. A "good patient" is often someone who has given up hope and
who has internalized the staff's very limited vision of his or her
potential.
- Judi Chamberlin
karlisa
2008-06-27 23:39:05 UTC
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Post by Baba Yaga
Post by d***@googlemail.com
Post by Bob Badour
Post by d***@googlemail.com
Do you have a relative or loved one infected with autism? Help cure
them with Dianetics
Actually, low mental ability is an excuse for scientology. Just look at
Cruise! Need I say more?
You are misinformed. Visit our website for the FACTS.
<<snortcoughchoke>>
What Scientologist would recognise a fact if it bit him??
A scientologist who hasn't been programmed sufficiently. Maybe he ran
out of money?

lisa
Post by Baba Yaga
Baba Yaga
--
A good patient is one who is compliant, who does what he or she is
told, who doesn't make trouble, but who also doesn't ever really get
better. A "good patient" is often someone who has given up hope and
who has internalized the staff's very limited vision of his or her
potential.
 - Judi Chamberlin
Baba Yaga
2008-06-29 11:34:22 UTC
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[...]
Post by karlisa
Post by Baba Yaga
Post by d***@googlemail.com
You are misinformed. Visit our website for the FACTS.
<<snortcoughchoke>>
What Scientologist would recognise a fact if it bit him??
A scientologist who hasn't been programmed sufficiently. Maybe he ran
out of money?
Heh. Probably!

Baba Yaga
--
If it's my lot to spend my life swimming upstream in treacle then
goddamn it I'll be the best treacle swimmer there is, and learn to
find things about it to enjoy!
- The Autiste formerly known as Genyin
rynosseros
2008-06-26 00:18:50 UTC
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On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 11:41:51 -0700 (PDT),
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<19e3f938-4586-4c38-9cc8-***@i76g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> on
alt.support.autism.
Post by d***@googlemail.com
Post by Bob Badour
Post by d***@googlemail.com
Do you have a relative or loved one infected with autism? Help cure
them with Dianetics
Actually, low mental ability is an excuse for scientology. Just look at
Cruise! Need I say more?
You are misinformed. Visit our website for the FACTS.
Facts. I love 'em. There's this lovely biography of Elron at
http://www.clambake.org/archive/books/bfm/bfmconte.htm, and I was
quite impressed.



http://rynosseros.com - the other Hornèd Beast.
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He always needs money! He's all-powerful, all-perfect,
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Religion takes in billions of dollars, they pay no taxes,
and they always need a little more.
Now, you talk about a good bullshit story. Holy Shit!
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David Smith
2008-06-26 04:00:41 UTC
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Post by d***@googlemail.com
Post by Bob Badour
Post by d***@googlemail.com
Do you have a relative or loved one infected with autism? Help cure
them with Dianetics
Actually, low mental ability is an excuse for scientology. Just look at
Cruise! Need I say more?
You are misinformed. Visit our website for the FACTS.
Actually, the Dianetics folks once offered me your job. But I wasn't
stupid enough to take it.

Congratulations. Here's your sign.
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Jeremy Reece
2008-06-25 21:19:47 UTC
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Post by Bob Badour
Actually, low mental ability is an excuse for scientology. Just look at
Cruise! Need I say more?
I love this thread already.
--
Jeremy

In GA and happy at last :)
karlisa
2008-06-27 23:37:23 UTC
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Post by Bob Badour
Post by d***@googlemail.com
Do you have a relative or loved one infected with autism? Help cure
them with Dianetics
Actually, low mental ability is an excuse for scientology. Just look at
Cruise! Need I say more?
Yeah. Sheesh. What type of person could actually *believe* that
Scientology crap??

Talk about low mentality.

lisa
m***@gmail.com
2015-06-02 03:34:37 UTC
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So you think the way Cruise "acts" on TV is his true personality? Have you ever heard of show business?

Or do you know the guy personally? I mean, your analysis is based on surface observations on TV talk shows and even movies. It's pretty amateur if you ask me.

I bet you couldn't recognize high mental ability if it kicked you in the ass.
Martijn Dekker
2015-06-12 20:54:02 UTC
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Post by m***@gmail.com
So you think the way Cruise "acts" on TV is his true personality? Have you
ever heard of show business?
Or do you know the guy personally? I mean, your analysis is based on surface
observations on TV talk shows and even movies. It's pretty amateur if you ask
me.
I bet you couldn't recognize high mental ability if it kicked you in the ass.
The original message didn't make it to this newsserver, but your
response tells me enough about it. People like that, who claim autism is
just an excuse, always make me wonder what excuse they have for their
own stupidity.

(How Cruise enters into this, I don't even want to know.)

- M.

Foucaultian
2008-06-25 18:32:04 UTC
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Assuming you are reading this thread, can you provide evidence, from
peer-reviewed journals (not anecdotal information), of people who have
been "cured" of autism using Dianetics or Scientology auditing?

Mark Foster
d***@googlemail.com
2008-06-25 18:36:55 UTC
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Post by Foucaultian
Assuming you are reading this thread, can you provide evidence, from
peer-reviewed journals (not anecdotal information), of people who have
been "cured" of autism using Dianetics or Scientology auditing?
Mark Foster
Mark,

You should come and take a personality test. Why not come and visit
us? There is no fee.

Peer reviewed journals are just propaganda from the likes of Novartis
and Pfizer.
Baba Yaga
2008-06-25 18:56:41 UTC
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Post by d***@googlemail.com
Post by Foucaultian
Assuming you are reading this thread, can you provide evidence, from
peer-reviewed journals (not anecdotal information), of people who have
been "cured" of autism using Dianetics or Scientology auditing?
Mark Foster
Mark,
You should come and take a personality test. Why not come and visit
us? There is no fee.
Why not?
Because you're a frigging scientologist!
Because personality tests are commonly a load of old cock. Because we
can be trusted to have a tolerable idea of who we are without being
told.

Because personality tests administered by scientologists are *always
suggest that people 'need' something which - by an astounding
coincidence - scientology (in one of its guises) can provide. Never
do they suggest that anyone might be o.k. as he is.

Because yours is a vile, moneygrubbing, vicious cult.

Baba Yaga
(saying this purely for her own satisfaction)
--
A good patient is one who is compliant, who does what he or she is
told, who doesn't make trouble, but who also doesn't ever really get
better. A "good patient" is often someone who has given up hope and
who has internalized the staff's very limited vision of his or her
potential.
- Judi Chamberlin
Jeremy Reece
2008-06-25 21:06:11 UTC
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Post by Baba Yaga
Post by d***@googlemail.com
You should come and take a personality test. Why not come and visit
us? There is no fee.
Why not?
Because you're a frigging scientologist!
ROFL!!!!!!!!!!

:)

Biggest smile of the day, thanks :)
--
Jeremy

In GA and happy at last :)
Baba Yaga
2008-06-29 11:35:03 UTC
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Post by Jeremy Reece
Post by Baba Yaga
Post by d***@googlemail.com
You should come and take a personality test. Why not come and visit
us? There is no fee.
Why not?
Because you're a frigging scientologist!
ROFL!!!!!!!!!!
:)
Biggest smile of the day, thanks :)
Funny. Your response to the idiot had exactly that effect on me.

Baba Yaga
--
If it's my lot to spend my life swimming upstream in treacle then
goddamn it I'll be the best treacle swimmer there is, and learn to
find things about it to enjoy!
- The Autiste formerly known as Genyin
astri
2008-06-25 18:58:29 UTC
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Post by d***@googlemail.com
Post by Foucaultian
Assuming you are reading this thread, can you provide evidence, from
peer-reviewed journals (not anecdotal information), of people who
have been "cured" of autism using Dianetics or Scientology auditing?
Mark Foster
Mark,
You should come and take a personality test. Why not come and visit
us? There is no fee.
*snork*

-- astri

======================
to email send to astri
======================
at volcano dot org
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Poststructuralist
2008-06-25 21:08:05 UTC
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Post by d***@googlemail.com
You should come and take a personality test. Why not come and visit
us? There is no fee.
I have taken your personality test, and, as a sociologist of religion,
I also completed your Dianetics auditing course at the Atlanta
Scientology Center. I found it to be interesting, and I even agree
with some of it (personally speaking), but to claim to "cure"
anything, you need hard empirical documentation in peer-reviewed
journals.
Post by d***@googlemail.com
Peer reviewed journals are just propaganda from the likes of Novartis
and Pfizer.
lol. That is irrelevant to my point. Can you produce any double-blind
empirical studies of any sort for your position?

Mark Foster
unknown
2008-06-25 22:45:53 UTC
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Post by d***@googlemail.com
Post by Foucaultian
Assuming you are reading this thread, can you provide evidence, from
peer-reviewed journals (not anecdotal information), of people who have
been "cured" of autism using Dianetics or Scientology auditing?
Mark Foster
Mark,
You should come and take a personality test. Why not come and visit
us? There is no fee.
Peer reviewed journals are just propaganda from the likes of Novartis
and Pfizer.
So, roughly translated from the gibberish, that'll be "NO" then?
--

There are 10 types of people in the world - those who understand binary and those who don't!
PromaBoss
2008-06-26 21:59:36 UTC
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well i didit for 3 yrs at the centre in poole dorset uk and it did not cure
me did it

;lol buti have nothing against any of those i was with or what i was being
told sadly to link all autism to low mental abiility is what is making
people be annoyed with what you say

and in fact as said i reckon about 7/10 of those in my classes dianetic were
aspie types most were very obsessional as yuou in fact seem to be so you may
very well be aspie you are talking as if dianetics will help all

well yes it helps some as does anything but no one thing helps all thats
impossible just as when a christian tells me the same its just as one sided
and against what i believe

paul
Post by d***@googlemail.com
Post by Foucaultian
Assuming you are reading this thread, can you provide evidence, from
peer-reviewed journals (not anecdotal information), of people who have
been "cured" of autism using Dianetics or Scientology auditing?
Mark Foster
Mark,
You should come and take a personality test. Why not come and visit
us? There is no fee.
Peer reviewed journals are just propaganda from the likes of Novartis
and Pfizer.
Terry Jones
2008-06-25 20:31:57 UTC
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On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 10:41:23 -0700 (PDT),
Autism is a modern excuse for low mental ability
What makes you believe that autistics have low mental ability?

What makes you believe that low mental ability has a basis in the mind
rather than in the brain?

That sound very like a psychiatric belief to me, and psychiatric
theories of autism have long been discredited.
--
Terry
Poststructuralist
2008-06-25 21:11:05 UTC
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In any event, as other posters have pointed out, if you don't even
know that most persons on the autism spectrum do not have "low mental
ability," how can you propose to treat it? I, for instance, am both
autistic and a college professor with a Ph.D.

Mark Foster
Stephen Wilson
2008-06-25 21:21:17 UTC
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Post by d***@googlemail.com
Do you have a relative or loved one infected with autism? Help cure
them with Dianetics
Prat. Autism isn't an infection. And it can't be cured any more than you
could grow a new leg.

Dianetics has been found to have no affect on intellectual functioning,
mathematical ability or the degree of personality conflicts (see Fischer,
Harvey Jay. "Dianetic therapy: an experimental evaluation. A statistical
analysis of the effect of dianetic therapy as measured by group tests of
intelligence, mathematics and personality." Abstract of Ph.D. thesis, 1953,
New York University).

The term "pseudoscience" springs to mind. Do it for fun by all means. Just
don't expect everyone to be gullible enough to take it so seriously.
Gareeth
2008-06-25 22:16:22 UTC
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Post by Stephen Wilson
Prat. Autism isn't an infection. And it can't be cured any more than
you could grow a new leg.
Ah shucks. I spent all days making plans to go infect some scientologists.
You broke my heart.

Gareeth
astri
2008-06-26 01:41:52 UTC
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Post by Gareeth
Ah shucks. I spent all days making plans to go infect some
scientologists. You broke my heart.
(i love this thread)

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Poststructuralist
2008-06-26 03:09:28 UTC
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As a social scientist, I am neither for or against Scientology/
Dianetics. However, a number of years ago, I put together a couple of
links pages. I update it from time to time.

This first one deals specifically with Scientology (pro and con):

http://links.religionsnet.com/scientology.html

This one deals mostly with groups which have either broken off from
Scientology or consist of people who have become disaffected from that
organization:

http://links.religionsnet.com/neoscientology.html

Mark Foster
David Smith
2008-06-26 04:05:16 UTC
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Post by d***@googlemail.com
Do you have a relative or loved one infected with autism? Help cure >them
with Dianetics
Prat. Autism isn't an infection. And it can't be cured any more than you
could grow a new leg.
Dianetics has been found to have no affect on intellectual functioning,
mathematical ability or the degree of personality conflicts (see Fischer,
Harvey Jay. "Dianetic therapy: an experimental evaluation. A statistical
analysis of the effect of dianetic therapy as measured by group tests of
intelligence, mathematics and personality." Abstract of Ph.D. thesis, 1953,
New York University).
Or see, "Cruise, Thomas: A Life in Cartoons."
Post by d***@googlemail.com
The term "pseudoscience" springs to mind. Do it for fun by all means. Just
don't expect everyone to be gullible enough to take it so seriously.
You're being unfair. Dianetics is not pseudoscience. It's
pseudoreligion. It was intended as a joke, and some folks didn't get the
punchline.

Or thought they could make money off other folks, who didn't get the
punchline. I mean, hey, I often don't understand jokes. But I don't pay
folks thousands of dollars to explain them to me.

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Poststructuralist
2008-06-26 04:40:00 UTC
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Hubbard started Scientology after he had sold the name "Dianetics" to
someone else. He later regretted making that sale and was, eventually,
able to buy it back. By then, however, Scientology was already
established as an organization, so he basically subordinated Dianetics
to Scientology.

Mark Foster
Poststructuralist
2008-06-26 07:28:49 UTC
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My system is better. ;-)

http://structurizing.structurization.com

Mark Foster
Stephen Wilson
2008-06-25 22:37:39 UTC
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Post by d***@googlemail.com
The goals of Dianetics predate all current ideas of "therapy" and are
first found in religion and philosophy as long as 10,000 years ago.
Were they? I'll take your word for it. In which case... whoop-de-doo! I'd
like to think there has been just a little progression in the field of
religion and philosophy in the last 10,000 years. You know, along the lines
of discovering that there are more effective ways of curing illnesses than
by sacrificing virgins, etc.
karlisa
2008-06-28 00:37:45 UTC
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On Jun 25, 5:37 pm, "Stephen Wilson"
Post by Stephen Wilson
Post by d***@googlemail.com
The goals of Dianetics predate all current ideas of "therapy" and are
first found in religion and philosophy as long as 10,000 years ago.
Were they? I'll take your word for it. In which case... whoop-de-doo! I'd
like to think there has been just a little progression in the field of
religion and philosophy in the last 10,000 years. You know, along the lines
of discovering that there are more effective ways of curing illnesses than
by sacrificing virgins, etc.
LOL! Now *that's* funny! thanks for the laugh. :-D

lisa
b***@gmail.com
2008-06-27 02:35:59 UTC
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Post by d***@googlemail.com
Do you have a relative or loved one infected with autism? Help cure
them with Dianetics
New Era Dianetics (NED) spiritual technology contains L. Ron Hubbard’s
ultimate refinements of Dianetics auditing. He developed it following
discoveries he made in 1978. Using New Era Dianetics technology,
preclears can achieve the goals of Dianetics much, much faster than
any early Dianeticist might have believed possible.
    The reactive mind plagues a person with the unthinking, irrational
dictates of its contents and imposes anxieties, fears, unwanted
sensations and feelings, strange pains and a host of other undesirable
effects. Freeing him from the command value such ills exert over his
volition, provides new levels of self-determinism.
    A person may have suffered the emotional upheaval of losing a
loved one. New Era Dianetics auditing addresses these losses and,
while it won’t replace the affections held for the departed, it can
free one from the spiritual trauma of the loss.
BE CLEAR
The goals of Dianetics predate all current ideas of "therapy" and are
first found in religion and philosophy as long as 10,000 years ago. A
Scientologist is trying to make people better and that is a new idea
in the field of the human mind.
Clearing someone is erasing his reactive mind. All the misery man
experiences is contained in the reactive mind.
There is a definite road out from reactivity, from aberration, from
identifying everything with everything else. It leads to increased
abilities, increased general performance and other exceptional gains
that can be precisely measured and experienced. This road out has
certain milestones which must be passed, and these are represented in
the Expanded Grades and New Era Dianetics auditing.
The product of traveling the road that runs past these milestones is
the erasure of reactivity. When this occurs the person achieves the
state of Clear. It is not possible to attain this upper state by
ignoring the lower grades.
A Clear is a person who no longer has his own reactive mind. He has
vanquished it forever. Without the stimulus-response mechanisms of the
reactive mind which can cause a person pain, unwanted sensations and
negative emotions, a Clear can act rather than react. A Clear has a
very high degree of personal integrity and honesty, and is living
proof that man is basically good. His own basic beingness returns and
his own basic personality flourishes. A person loses all the fears,
anxieties and irrational thoughts that were held down by pain in the
reactive mind and, in short, regains himself when he goes Clear. A
person is much, much more himself without a reactive mind.
Until a person is cleared, no matter how able he becomes by virtue of
earlier auditing, it is inevitable, just by the nature of the
universe, that he will sooner or later sink back into the reactive
mind. That is why clearing is vital. Clear is total erasure of the
reactive mind and thus is a stable state, not subject to relapse.
Albert Einstein was Autistic
Poststructuralist
2008-06-27 08:19:41 UTC
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Post by b***@gmail.com
Albert Einstein was Autistic
Yep, before these religious proselytizers set out to convert people to
their own brands of salvation, someone should brief them so they don't
look foolish.

Mark Foster
Baba Yaga
2008-06-29 11:34:44 UTC
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"***@gmail.com" <***@gmail.com> wrote, in
alt.support.autism:

[....]
Post by b***@gmail.com
Albert Einstein was Autistic
Sez who?

Oh, yes, a lot of ill-informed people.

Albert Einstein was Albert Einstein. Some things suggest that he may
have been autistic. There is no possible way of knowing.

Baba Yaga
--
If it's my lot to spend my life swimming upstream in treacle then
goddamn it I'll be the best treacle swimmer there is, and learn to
find things about it to enjoy!
- The Autiste formerly known as Genyin
Terry Jones
2008-06-29 17:00:32 UTC
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On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 12:34:44 +0100, Baba Yaga
Post by Baba Yaga
Albert Einstein was Albert Einstein. Some things suggest that he may
have been autistic. There is no possible way of knowing.
Time travel? :)
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