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Asperger's Help for Adults ?
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Viet Vet
2012-08-06 10:58:19 UTC
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Lots of info on helping a child, but what if I never got help and now
pretty late on the learning curve.
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d***@fsmail.net
2012-08-06 20:03:49 UTC
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Post by Viet Vet
Lots of info on helping a child, but what if I never got help and now
pretty late on the learning curve.
What help do you need?

Dolphinius
(Male, age 40 +/- a few months, UK, self-diagnosed AS)
Bob Badour
2012-08-06 21:37:44 UTC
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Post by Viet Vet
Lots of info on helping a child, but what if I never got help and now
pretty late on the learning curve.
Don't sweat it. The importance of early intervention is wildly overstated.
Rich Ulrich
2012-08-07 04:21:09 UTC
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Post by Bob Badour
Post by Viet Vet
Lots of info on helping a child, but what if I never got help and now
pretty late on the learning curve.
Don't sweat it. The importance of early intervention is wildly overstated.
- And that is the opinion of an Aspie who is proud of his
defective socialization. He kill-files many people (including me)
for the troll-ishness of contradicting him.

- I once read the blog of an autie who discovered a whole
world after reading about "mind blindness" at the age of 40.
It had been a serious problem for him: Herbert Cross.
YMMV.

- "Temple Grandin" is someone to read and read about,
if you haven't already.
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Rich Ulrich, NT who posts here rarely, but reads regularly.
Legal Alien
2012-08-07 10:24:19 UTC
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Post by Rich Ulrich
NT who posts here rarely, but reads regularly
Thnx for the mind blindness Google / Wikipedia word ;-)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mind-blindness

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Recently, Simon Baron-Cohen and other "Theory of Mind" theorists have
shifted away from the Mind-blindness Theory in favor of the E-S theory,
which seeks to better explain the relationship between forms of autism
and repetitive, narrowly defined behavior patterns.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empathizing%E2%80%93systemizing_theory

Yep this seems to fit my puzzling brain better ;-)
Bob Badour
2012-08-07 19:31:25 UTC
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Post by Bob Badour
Post by Viet Vet
Lots of info on helping a child, but what if I never got help and now
pretty late on the learning curve.
Don't sweat it. The importance of early intervention is wildly overstated.
- And that is the opinion of an Aspie who is proud of his
defective socialization.
You know nothing of my socialization or of my pride.


He kill-files many people (including me)
Post by Rich Ulrich
for the troll-ishness of contradicting him.
I filter you because you are a troll who starts with personal attacks
and other worthless sophistries exactly like the one above.
Post by Rich Ulrich
- I once read the blog of an autie who discovered a whole
world after reading about "mind blindness" at the age of 40.
It had been a serious problem for him: Herbert Cross.
YMMV.
Are you trying to prove my point that "the importance of early
intervention has been wildly overstated" ?
Post by Rich Ulrich
- "Temple Grandin" is someone to read and read about,
if you haven't already.
Zeke Zebedee
2012-08-26 01:12:22 UTC
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You can't even get that right it was Hubert Cross.

Never mind, you will never compete with my mind for sure.

Eke it's Zeke
Post by Rich Ulrich
- And that is the opinion of an Aspie who is proud of his
defective socialization. He kill-files many people (including me)
for the troll-ishness of contradicting him.
- I once read the blog of an autie who discovered a whole
world after reading about "mind blindness" at the age of 40.
It had been a serious problem for him: Herbert Cross.
YMMV.
- "Temple Grandin" is someone to read and read about,
if you haven't already.
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Rich Ulrich, NT who posts here rarely, but reads regularly.
Legal Alien
2012-08-26 06:38:42 UTC
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Post by Zeke Zebedee
it was Hubert Cross.
http://goo.gl/Io5zh

Thanks, Legal

Robert Miles
2012-08-07 00:36:52 UTC
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Post by Viet Vet
Lots of info on helping a child, but what if I never got help and now
pretty late on the learning curve.
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Karma, What a concept!
See the thread I started Some time ago on Some links related to autism. Some of the links lead to items that should be suitable for what you want.
Aquarian Monkey
2012-08-11 16:06:50 UTC
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Post by Viet Vet
Lots of info on helping a child, but what if I never got help and now
pretty late on the learning curve.
--
Karma, What a concept!
While I have found that early intervention was very helpful for my daughter, I knew nothing about my own issues as a child, but have learned ways to compensate. It is never too late to learn.

What kinds of issues affect you the most? If you have sensory issues, I would recommend the book "The Out-of-Sync Child : Recognizing and Coping With Sensory Integration Dysfunction" By Carol Stock Kranowitz. I know it says "child" in the title, but it still does a good job of explaining what sensory issues are all about and what you can do about them. For general Asperger's information, I like Tony Atwood's work and think it is a good starting point. If social communication is an issue, I have found Michelle Garcia Winner's stuff very helpful for my kids. I know she has books for adults, but I have never read them before. Her stuff for kids is very helpful, though.
d***@fsmail.net
2012-08-11 18:06:44 UTC
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Post by Aquarian Monkey
While I have found that early intervention was very helpful for my daughter, I knew nothing about my own issues as a child, but have learned ways to compensate. It is never too late to learn.
What were your own issues as a child. Apologies if I have not been reading all your posts, but I thought you only saw yourself as (at most) a shadow Aspie?

Dolphinius
(Male, age 40 +/- a few months, UK, self-diagnosed AS)
Aquarian Monkey
2012-08-11 22:05:28 UTC
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Post by d***@fsmail.net
Post by Aquarian Monkey
While I have found that early intervention was very helpful for my daughter, I knew nothing about my own issues as a child, but have learned ways to compensate. It is never too late to learn.
What were your own issues as a child. Apologies if I have not been reading all your posts, but I thought you only saw yourself as (at most) a shadow Aspie?
Dolphinius
(Male, age 40 +/- a few months, UK, self-diagnosed AS)
As a child, I struggled to fit in and although I do not know what I did that set me apart, I clearly did something because I was frequently the target of bullying and teasing, much the way my son is now. I know I got accused of "staring" at people a lot and being "stiff." I had a tendency toward literal interpretation of things sometimes, and a tendency to assume others thought/felt as I do. I also had a tendency, when really young, to dictate other people's behavior so that it fit the way I thought they were "supposed to be," much like my daughter does now. I also think I often misread social cues because sometimes I thought people liked me, but then they did mean things that made it clear that they didn't, and I'd be surprised, because I thought they were my friends.

The issues I was referring to are probably more related to my ADD. I have always had problems with organization, planning, initiating and completing tasks, and staying focused on things that are not of interest to me. As a kid, I got in trouble with my parents over being "lazy" and "not trying" but looking back, it was clearly ADD. For example, I used to constantly be in trouble for my room being such a mess and my parents got so frustrated because no matter what punishment they doled out, it stayed a mess. I do not remember this, but my mom told me that every time she told me to clean my room, I would tell her I didn't know how, and she would get mad and think I was just being difficult. Now she realizes that I was telling her the truth...I didn't know how to start. If she would have supported me differently, I probably would have been able to do it. Also, my grades in high school do not even nearly reflect my IQ, and in fact, I don't even think I realized that I am smarter than many others because my ADD gave me the impression that I wasn't. I thought I was only slightly above average at best or maybe on the high end of average. The military--where things are really structured and where structure was often imposed on me--was actually the first place I realized what my potential was. It was the first time I ever got grades that matched my IQ. But I wasn't left to my own devices to study (as I was as a kid) and I was actually taught methods of studying (which I wasn't as a kid).

If I don't put effort into it, I probably still struggle just as much with the same things. But I do know compensatory strategies now and when I have to, I use them. I will say that I only do it when I have to, because keeping them up seems like a lot of effort and sometimes I just want to live without working so hard, if that makes sense. And I can also say sometimes even the compensatory strategies I know don't seem to help. Sometimes my executive DYSfunction still gets the best of me.
Legal Alien
2012-08-12 08:25:20 UTC
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Post by Aquarian Monkey
The issues I was referring to are probably more related to my ADD.
I have always had problems with organization, planning, initiating and completing tasks,
and staying focused on things that are not of interest to me.
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Thats not ADD , thats just Autism
You gave it a word in your last sentence ; executive dysfunction
(wanting to complete or do a task but can`t execute it)
<this bit>

Your post describes my past pretty well !
Googled ADD an YES I did diagnose myself Again !
I Had to tell my general practitioner that i am an Aspie and i need a
diagnosis to get/receive help

Thanks for sharing
d***@fsmail.net
2012-08-12 08:43:08 UTC
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Post by Aquarian Monkey
The issues I was referring to are probably more related to my ADD.
I have always had problems with organization, planning, initiating and completing tasks,
and staying focused on things that are not of interest to me.
<ignore>
Thats not ADD , thats just Autism
You gave it a word in your last sentence ; executive dysfunction
(wanting to complete or do a task but can`t execute it)
<this bit>
I am not sure about that. To me, autism sometimes means that it is difficult to overcome inertia and start something. However, I am great at organising and planning. My brain thinks in details.

I have strong will-power so when I think something needs to be done I can usually overcome the inertia. However, I think that I don't have as much *desire* to do things as many other people. So, for example, in the house I live in, I tend to put up with things deteriorating until they stop functioning completely. Then I sort them out. I think many other people would replace them earlier (or be more active with maintenance).

Dolphinius
(Male, age 40 +/- a few months, UK, self-diagnosed AS)
PE1R
2012-08-13 07:45:43 UTC
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Post by d***@fsmail.net
I tend to put up with things deteriorating until they stop functioning completely. Then I sort them out.
Same here with relations / things and i have to think about it in fine detail quite long (several days ) for a solution
and when a detail doesn't fit in reality i get frustrated and without logical feedback from somebody else
(and this is where a understanding partner could intervene ) i tend to drop or reject the solution ,
witch in turn can be devastating , wrong , hurtful or right out stupid !
Nuf said it time to go outside and exercise , it give me my daily dose of stimuli / endorphin rush ;-)

Cheers , Legal
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Legal Alien
2012-08-13 07:50:40 UTC
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Post by d***@fsmail.net
I tend to put up with things deteriorating until they stop functioning completely. Then I sort them out.
Same here with relations / things and i have to think about it in fine detail quite long (several days ) for a solution and
when a detail doesn't fit in reality i get frustrated and without logical feedback from somebody else
(and this is where a understanding partner could intervene ) i tend to drop or reject the solution ,
witch in turn can be devastating , wrong , hurtful or right out stupid !
Nuf said it time to go outside and exercise , it give me my daily dose of stimuli / endorphin rush ;-)

Cheers , Legal
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endorphin
Aquarian Monkey
2012-08-12 12:37:01 UTC
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Post by Legal Alien
Thats not ADD , thats just Autism
You gave it a word in your last sentence ; executive dysfunction
(wanting to complete or do a task but can`t execute it)
Actually, executive dysfunction doesn't exclusively belong to the autism spectrum. It is also a hallmark feature of ADD. See: http://assets.booklocker.com/pdfs/952s.pdf

My social deficits are not pervasive enough to qualify me for an ASD diagnosis. Nor do I have any evidence of restricted interest.
Legal Alien
2012-08-13 08:14:41 UTC
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Post by Legal Alien
Thats not ADD , thats just Autism
You gave it a word in your last sentence ; executive dysfunction
(wanting to complete or do a task but can`t execute it)
Actually, executive dysfunction doesn't exclusively belong to the autism spectrum. It is also a hallmark feature of ADD. See: http://assets.booklocker.com/pdfs/952s.pdf
My social deficits are not pervasive enough to qualify me for an ASD diagnosis. Nor do I have any evidence of restricted interest.
In this case you should be glad it only ADD ;-(
I did not know that a lack off fore / hindsight was a part of executive dysfunction
i will have to seek some advice / feedback if important decisions are to be taken ?

Cheers . Legal
toto
2012-08-15 01:49:18 UTC
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On Sun, 12 Aug 2012 10:25:20 +0200, Legal Alien
Post by Legal Alien
Post by Aquarian Monkey
The issues I was referring to are probably more related to my ADD.
I have always had problems with organization, planning, initiating and completing tasks,
and staying focused on things that are not of interest to me.
<ignore>
Thats not ADD , thats just Autism
You gave it a word in your last sentence ; executive dysfunction
(wanting to complete or do a task but can`t execute it)
<this bit>
Your post describes my past pretty well !
Googled ADD an YES I did diagnose myself Again !
I Had to tell my general practitioner that i am an Aspie and i need a
diagnosis to get/receive help
Thanks for sharing
What kind of help will the dx get you as an adult. I have not seen
much help for adults even those who were dxed as children.
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Dorothy

There is no sound, no cry in all the world
that can be heard unless someone listens ..

The Outer Limits
Legal Alien
2012-08-15 08:31:15 UTC
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Post by toto
What kind of help will the dx get you as an adult. I have not seen
much help for adults even those who were dxed as children.
To get help is fairly bureaucratic to say the least ! and IF you get
help you're assigned with a young trainee for an hour per week who is
learning to handle autistic people , thats fine ? for the severe
disabled who get immediate recognition by the way
Adult Aspergers who learned to compensate (and i am good at it) are not
recognized at all and treated as normal
Accepting help is not the problem here getting the right help is , so i
told them in nice words to get lost , which they , trainee and manager
(who i never have seen or spoken to ) had no problems with
Consulted the general practitioner again who wasn't positive about them
referred me to social services , who i will have to call on my own
initiative ( difficult )

Cheers , Legal
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Zeke Zebedee
2012-08-26 01:10:56 UTC
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As the Bard of Avon put it "To thine own self be true"

Eke it's Zeke.
Post by Viet Vet
Lots of info on helping a child, but what if I never got help and now
pretty late on the learning curve.
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Karma, What a concept!
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